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Tony_F18
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The Worlds is just a week away and already seeing some interesting pics from the various designs:
http://www.sailingeventstakapuna.com/webpages/a-class-catamaran-world-championship/

Interesting setup from Mischa:
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Posted : February 2, 2014 8:49 am
Jake Kohl
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were are the photos?

I guess Mischa just kicks out and swings himself around the back of the sail to get to the other side? <img src="<>/crazy.gif" alt="crazy" title="crazy" height="15" width="15" /> (kidding, a-cat does not permit continuous trapeze systems). He must be stepping around the front of the mast.


 
Posted : February 2, 2014 11:05 am
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He goes under the flap. Pics are on FB.
Looks like a canting rig also. He's using a bunch of his C class tricks.


 
Posted : February 2, 2014 11:59 am
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Looks pretty cool. I'm interested in how the end plate effect works out. Can we tell where that sail area came from? Shorter less pitchy rig?


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 7:31 am
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why not continuous trapeeze systems? Seems odd that a development class restricts....anything


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 10:07 am
Jake Kohl
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
why not continuous trapeeze systems? Seems odd that a development class restricts....anything

For starters, I don't really know what a continuous trapeze system is....


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 10:28 am
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OK...so I broke down and researched it. It's pretty interesting but I do now understand why I've never seen one. You can see it pretty clearly in this image of a Flying Dutchman(click link for larger view)

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Posted : February 3, 2014 10:39 am
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It's allowed under the current rules.


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 10:55 am
Jake Kohl
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
It's allowed under the current rules.

<img src="<>/sick.gif" alt="sick" title="sick" height="15" width="15" /> doh.


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 11:20 am
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can you imagine trying to get through that flap in light air?


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 11:21 am
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Prolly a psych.


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 11:33 am
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Cammas made it work with a hard sail in the C, but went aft of the sail when tacking/gybing. It'll be interesting to see if Mischa goes with this setup, only photos I've seen are with the stock DNA, but fully flying which is awesome.


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 12:58 pm
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yep, and I'm trying to wrap my head around getting through the tack, gybe, trim and drive with that system connected to me...


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
yep, and I'm trying to wrap my head around getting through the tack, gybe, trim and drive with that system connected to me...

I can create macrame with what I have now. Not worth the second saved hooking up for me. I've never seen anyone use a continuous trap on a cat, any cat.
Here's Mischa's response to the tacking/flap question.

Mischa Heemskerk: I was trained by my Father since I was 12 to tack like that on the Nacra 6.0 which had a flap. The flap had an opening for the helm but I was the crew so under the flap was my way. My friend in the motorboat was laughing every tack and jibe.


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
yep, and I'm trying to wrap my head around getting through the tack, gybe, trim and drive with that system connected to me...

Umm...yeah. I fall in the water enough already - thank you.

(maybe it was F18 I was thinking that specifically disallowed a continuous trapeze system).


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 2:10 pm
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Todd

Don't forget about Greg and Casey's Tornado.... Of course greg built one of the continuous systems for Casey... It did not take for her and so they went back.... It confused me looking at in person... AND it was a greg variation on a theme.

great fun!


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 2:46 pm
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a continuous trap on a cat would be like riding a superbike without a helmet. Fantastic until something goes wrong and if it does you'll probably die.


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 2:56 pm
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YUP.... I think that is what Casey said!


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 3:04 pm
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Must not have been on long, 'cause I never saw it. Greg tried alot of things...


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 3:28 pm
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as I said... I thought death trap.... Nope... it did not last...


 
Posted : February 3, 2014 3:36 pm
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Posted : February 5, 2014 4:07 pm
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This is certainly looking like a pretty cool event. I sure hope we get good coverage...


 
Posted : February 5, 2014 4:12 pm
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I'll post some updates from the cheap seats...


 
Posted : February 5, 2014 4:32 pm
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A class pdates would be appreciated.

1981; the tornado that i crewed on had the continuous trap system still there from the last crew and they were pretty much the fastest boat in the fleet. We kept it on for an attempted come back campaign. I never thought it was that dangerous, but i would have used the normal system if it had been up to me. My trap seat had a closed loop on it instead of an open hook. it's that open hook that has nearly drowned people.
In the Mischa photo, i see 2 battens in the way instead of a flap. Also it kind of looks like the clew attaches directly to the traveler?


 
Posted : February 5, 2014 4:47 pm
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HA...

What was old.... tried and true.... ie the hobie 16 style raised tramp.... Now used on a New A cat design at Worlds
A cat / Hobie 16 style
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8354518@N06/12337863685/in/photostream/


 
Posted : February 6, 2014 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
HA...

What was old.... tried and true.... ie the hobie 16 style raised tramp.... Now used on a New A cat design at Worlds
A cat / Hobie 16 style
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8354518@N06/12337863685/in/photostream/

That boat has been around for awhile.


 
Posted : February 6, 2014 12:42 pm
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[Linked Image]

Is this legal?
[ ] maybe yes
[x] maybe no


 
Posted : February 6, 2014 3:26 pm
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Gives a whole new meaning to

casette deck

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[Linked Image]


 
Posted : February 6, 2014 3:31 pm
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I think the A-class requires that the daggerboards be inserted from the top of the deck in an effort to limit the complexity of the daggerboard shape. This is as opposed to having to insert an L-shaped foil from under the boat. I suppose that giant cassette technically meets the wording but probably not the spirit! Interesting work around, though.

(boy, these guys are hacking up some expensive boats!)


 
Posted : February 6, 2014 4:42 pm
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I though the cassette would be a good way to deal with the rules.. It seems it should be deemed legal as long as no

tools

are required. It would also seem to make a good testing platform for different configurations.


 
Posted : February 6, 2014 5:09 pm
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