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Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin
Originally Posted by P.M.
Oracle Team USA's boat arrested by US Marshalls

The vessel was in three containers and the US Marshals went into the Oracle Compound at Pier 80 at 9.00 am this morning and big MAC trucks were arriving to pick up containers. US Marshall Christian Hanson had called Oracle's lawyer at 8.20 am from the Federal Building in San Francisco and told him that no containers with the vessel were to leave Pier 80 otherwise Oracle would be in contempt of the court's order.

However as US Marshall Christian Hanson and his Deputy approached Pier 80 two containers were being removed by truck from Pier 80 at some speed. The truck licence numbers and the container numbers were all noted and a local contractor had taken a photo of the first truck and the numbers on the side of the shipping container.

This is beyond ridiculous.

Agreed. Even more ridiculous is Spooner wanting $13,000/month more for housing in Bermuda. contract spat


 
Posted : March 10, 2015 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin
Originally Posted by P.M.
Oracle Team USA's boat arrested by US Marshalls

The vessel was in three containers and the US Marshals went into the Oracle Compound at Pier 80 at 9.00 am this morning and big MAC trucks were arriving to pick up containers. US Marshall Christian Hanson had called Oracle's lawyer at 8.20 am from the Federal Building in San Francisco and told him that no containers with the vessel were to leave Pier 80 otherwise Oracle would be in contempt of the court's order.

However as US Marshall Christian Hanson and his Deputy approached Pier 80 two containers were being removed by truck from Pier 80 at some speed. The truck licence numbers and the container numbers were all noted and a local contractor had taken a photo of the first truck and the numbers on the side of the shipping container.

This is beyond ridiculous.

It is kind of silly. That kind of law was written for a completely different type of situation. Besides, I thought that is was already ruled on that it didn't apply here and that the guy was paid for the time he actually spent with the team. The boat couldn't be

arrested

for a case involving damages - only wages not paid that were earned while on the vessel.


 
Posted : March 10, 2015 6:34 am
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it's keeping the focus on the circus that is AC, so there's that...

we're eating this s*t up because there's nothing else to look at...

But yes, it is beyond ridiculous. Kind of like a slow motion train wreck... you just can't turn away...


 
Posted : March 10, 2015 8:26 am
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On the other hand he planned his life around having this job for a set time. He signed a contract and as far as we know lived up to it. He might have turned down other offers to do this. Not enough info to really make a decision on this.


 
Posted : March 10, 2015 9:55 am
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So Spooner was making $25k a month, or $300k a year to grind a pedestal.

He wanted a raise to $38k a month. Holy hell thats 50% increase!!! and HE'S the one that is getting the rough end of the contract negotiations?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-sailors-salary-300-000-if-he-works-for-larry-ellison-1426013584


 
Posted : March 10, 2015 9:52 pm
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enjoy this epic artistic vid


 
Posted : March 11, 2015 3:50 am
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Great hire for BAR!

Martin Whitmarsh: I was ready to re...Sir Ben Ainslie rang about America's Cup

Former F1 Chief joins BAR

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Posted : March 12, 2015 9:58 am
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A few more facts. Spooner V Oracle.

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2015/03/15/americas-cup-courts-and-sailor-compensation/


 
Posted : March 16, 2015 2:37 pm
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BAR - Writing the Playbook


 
Posted : March 22, 2015 5:35 pm
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Spithill believes cost cuts could see Australia return to the regatta


 
Posted : March 22, 2015 5:36 pm
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First phase of Team Oracle’s base complete


 
Posted : March 22, 2015 5:37 pm
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Oracle says

so long, thanks for all the fish

to San Francisco...


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 10:52 am
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Recurring theme of reducing costs

“The existing operational costs of teams is much too high with a boat like the AC62. We discussed making this change early last year at a Competitors meeting in London but at that stage only ORACLE TEAM USA and Emirates Team New Zealand were in favor of using a smaller boat. But now that the teams have seen these new boats in action there is a clear majority of competitors who support the idea. I’d like to be able to say we have unanimous support from all the teams but that is not the case.”


 
Posted : March 25, 2015 11:29 pm
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yeah I won't be too pleased if they decide to downgrade to AC45's on foils. Even though the racing will still be great, the spectacle of it all will definitely suffer.

If you didn't get to see the AC72's in person then you really can't understand just how badass they were.


 
Posted : March 26, 2015 7:43 am
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I'm glad they pointed out that payroll was probably the highest portion of the overall cost... So yeah, switching to smaller/fewer boats (and less crew, shoreside support team, etc) would probably dramatically reduce costs...

But I will miss the crazy billionaire vs. crazy billionaire, no holds barred spend-fest on technology.


 
Posted : March 26, 2015 8:00 am
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Luna Rossa Challenge @lunarossa · 2h 2 hours ago
#LunaRossaChallenge is distinctly opposed to the proposal to change the Class Rule for the 35th America’s Cup


 
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Posted : March 27, 2015 7:44 am
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Luna Rossa Official Statement


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 7:49 am
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Interesting perspective offered from this interview with Coutts. The only thing that was not expected was the outstanding performance from the modified foiling AC45 turbos. Not sure that matters anyway. The deal was done last summer.

The teams will be asked to vote on rule changes to the boat before the end of March, with only a majority vote required to make the change.

Coutt's interview

It is notable that if we look back a few months, when the Luna Rossa team became Challenger of Record, they sought to change the process because they viewed it was wrong, and that decisions needed more of a consensus view. Therefore the process was changed to reflect this. The Protocol was changed such that the Challenger of Record does not have veto power, and that they would go along with the majority of votes among the challengers. So that’s what they did a few months ago, but now they seem to be saying that they only want consensus if they agree with it.

more on it here.
sail a smaller boat


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 3:07 pm
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Check out that bow on the testbed 45 by Artemis. Sailing in SF Bay.
More volume or my imagination?
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Posted : March 29, 2015 8:11 pm
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Competitors to vote on cost-cutting measures this week


 
Posted : March 30, 2015 5:53 am
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Looks like Ainslie is in favor of the 45's


 
Posted : March 30, 2015 1:24 pm
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Teams have agreed to make changes

Central to these changes is the introduction of an exciting new America’s Cup Class - a wing-sailed, foiling catamaran between 45 and 50 feet.

A majority of the teams has also now indicated a preference that all of the racing in 2017 be conducted at a single venue, Bermuda. The America’s Cup Event Authority will consider this in nominating a venue for the America’s Cup Qualifiers.


 
Posted : March 31, 2015 10:15 pm
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Emirates Team New Zealand continue to fight for Auckland

“Emirates Team New Zealand have filed an application to the America’s Cup Arbitration Panel in the belief that ACEA has breached their signed agreement and protocol obligations by discarding Auckland.”


 
Posted : April 1, 2015 6:58 am
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Gladwell's take

Rules experts spoken to by Sail-World today doubted whether the Protocol could legally be changed in the way announced for the 35th America's Cup. No members have been announced of the Arbitration body established under the Protocol which has been in existence since June 2014. The matter is not expected to be heard quickly, if it goes to a Hearing.

Any aggrieved teams have the option of resort to the New York Supreme Court, on matters relating to the Deed of Gift where the Challenger of Record, Luna Rossa has the strongest case to be heard. The other options for disaffected teams would be to withdraw from the regatta, or get on with the revised event.

Auckland would appear to be set to lose the Qualifier given that the majority of the teams had voted for a single venue. A final announcement on that is expected later.


 
Posted : April 1, 2015 7:02 am
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What a mess. The lead up to this race is such a **** fest.


 
Posted : April 1, 2015 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by Jake
What a mess. The lead up to this race is such a **** fest.

Just this one? <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />

Could the difference in cost between a 50ft and 62ft cat really be that significant?
The 45s are cool but they are just not as impressive as a 62 footer.


 
Posted : April 1, 2015 10:30 am
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I think the hardware costs would only be slightly lower.

It's the payroll which would be affected the most... And I'd venture that payroll is the largest expense overall for the team


 
Posted : April 1, 2015 11:01 am
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