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BobG
 BobG
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Ah 4keel drive! Sorry could'nt resist .


 
Posted : June 30, 2005 4:40 pm
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Ah 4keel drive! Sorry could'nt resist .

Now that is funny (Or is it just that I have had 4 glasses of wine )


 
Posted : June 30, 2005 5:28 pm
Jake Kohl
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Nope...not the wine - that was hilarious!


 
Posted : June 30, 2005 8:14 pm
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Morning Folks:

Keep in mind that I sail on the very cold Great Lakes, and frequently sail solo.

In terms of the "Rambo PFD" I carry: 'waterproof' VHS radio--which is really only water resistant (kept in an actual water proof bag); a three pack of small 'waterproof' Skyblazer flares--each flare contains its own launcher---packed in a double Ziploc; on the outside front of my PFD attached to the PFD's built in lash point a short, blunt tip scuba knife---which also has a hand lanyard; in various pockets: a signaling mirror and an emergency safety whistle; a stainless steel multi-tool; and a laser flare (which is attached to an automatic retractor leash). At the rear of my PFD, I have a battery operated strobe light attached to the PFD's built in lash point. If you have never looked into the laser flare concept, I strongly encourage you to do so. The laser flare is visible over long distances...can be seen both in day or night...and they run for time periods from 15 to 72 hours. According to some sources the laser flare is 8,000 times brighter than a flashlight at 1,000 feet and effective up to 20 miles away, day or night. The medium size version of the laser flare is small enough to put inside your PFD. Regular cost for the laser flare is around $100; however, right now the National Geographic has laser flares on sale. The Rescue Laser Flare that uses 2 N cells is on sale for $54.95 instead of the normal $99.95.

In terms of sea anchors, in my humble opinion they are too expensive and oversized for beachcats. Instead I carry two different sized Drogues (the smaller one goes on my H-16, the larger goes on my H-18) depending upon the boat and/or weather conditions. The smaller drogue I bought from Boat US for around $40. The larger drogue was made by one of my friends who is handy with a commercial sewing machine. In terms of using the drogues (material cost around $50), it is extremely important to make sure that you use nylon line: at least 25% of the load will be captured by the rode alone. Second you must construct a bridle to handle the heavy load---I am not sure how long a dolphin striker would hold up. Third, be sure to allow yourself plenty of rode...the longer the rode the less violent will be the shocks you and the boat experience. Lastly, YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE A FITTING BETWEEN THE RODE AND THE DROGUE WHICH WILL ALLOW THE DROGUE TO SPIN. In a couple of boat experiments I tried, when the drogue does not have the ability to spin around, it simply kinks up the line until the drogue will not effective catch water any more.

In order to carry my drogue and other safety equipment(flares, paddle, drogue bridle/rode, waterproof light, etc.) which I keep handy on my H-16 boat tramp, when I had my new bias-cut one piece mesh tramp made...I also had them install a mesh "Safety Pod" (Paul's nomenclature) on the bottom of the tramp. I designed the "Safety Pod" to be accessible (via zippered openings) from both the top and the bottom of the boat. The Pod allows me to have a single place to store all of my safety stuff, let's me immediately see if I have forgotten to put anything into it, before I leave the launch area; and keeps me from having to open one or both of my hull ports (which just might be underwater at the time) to facilitate any self-rescue efforts. The "Safety Pod" was not inexpensive to add to the tramp, but if you have ever experienced a situation where you need to use your safety equipment "Right Now" (Been there, done that...way too many times) you may find the investment to install a "Safety Pod" to be a real life saver.

If you would like to see pictures of any of this stuff, let me know and I can post some digital pix.

Paul


 
Posted : July 1, 2005 9:40 am
 JBR
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Hi Paul,

Great information, thanks. If you've got pictures of your safety gear and safety pod implementation I'd appreciate seeing them posted.

Is the Laser Rescue Flare available on the National Geographic web site?

What kind of strobe do you attach to the rear lash tap on you PFD; amazingly I'm having trouble finding a strobe that has a built in lash tab clip.

Regarding the sea anchor, I agree with you that most are way too big. However, the companies that make these will often custom make them for you in any size you want. The smaller ones are much less expensive than the bigger ones (but they're still pricey). The one I use has a 5 or 6 foot diameter I think but the material is so thin (even though its very strong) that it folds down into a small pouch of about 4" x 6" x 2". They also sewed in a small amount of flotation into one edge of it which further prevents it's spinning and also keeps it near the surface so it won't sink. I fully agree with the need for a decent length of rode and the need for a shackle with a rotating head.

Thanks,

Jerry


 
Posted : July 1, 2005 12:28 pm
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Evening Jerry:

Yes the laser flare is on sale at the National Geographic site. Last time I checked they still had them on sale.

I will upload pix of all the gear sometime tommorow. Once you see the pictures, if you have any questions, drop me a line.

Good Holiday Sailing!

Paul
Milwaukee, WI


 
Posted : July 1, 2005 10:14 pm
MaryAWells
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What is the difference between a sea anchor and a drogue? I'm just curious, because I have never quite understood it. I am thinking that a drogue is something you drag behind your boat when you are running away from the wind and that a sea anchor is deployed from the bow when you are facing into the wind and just drifting backward.

Is that correct? And what is the difference in how they are constructed and what they look like?


 
Posted : July 2, 2005 3:31 am
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Mary,

You are correct about the use of the drogue and the sea anchor. I had to look it up in Chapman. They are both cone shaped. The sea anchor has a small outlet opening to allow some water to flow. It is used to keep the bow into the wind and minimize drift. The drogue has a larger outlet opening and is trailed off the stern while under way to prevent broaching and yawing. The drogue is secured forward of the rudder post to maintain manueverability.

Howard


 
Posted : July 2, 2005 9:32 am
 JBR
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Regarding sea anchors and drogues, I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but I do know they are not all cone shaped. Over the years many effective differently shaped sea anchors and drogues have been implemented and proven the test of time. Just as there's many different anchor designs. I bet each design has benefits and drawbacks just like anchors. As I mentioned in my earlier post, many sea anchors including the one I use are shaped just like parachutes. In fact, it is my understanding that some early sea anchors were surplus army parachutes.

Jerry


 
Posted : July 2, 2005 5:52 pm
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Jerry,

I am sure you are right. There are different shaped sea anchors and drogues. In fact in Chapman they say you can tie anything that will drag to a line such as planks, floats etc. The basic shape they describe however is cone shaped (also hemispherical) with a hoop to keep the cone open.

Howard


 
Posted : July 2, 2005 8:33 pm
 JBR
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Paul,

Thanks, I'm looking forward to seeing your pictures, particularly how you've added pockes and where to you PFD and tramp and also what you put where so you can reach it for easy access.

Thanks,

Jerry


 
Posted : July 3, 2005 3:52 pm
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