Behghazi Cover UP- Anyone?

It's

What difference does it make?

not

does it matter?

Credibility comes from accuracy. If you really want to look into this checkout Zero footprint arms dealing. That's what it was all about and has been common knowledge since 2 months after it happened.

Zero footprint /For the record research

The cover up was the attempt by all official spokespeople to hide the fact that this was a secret CIA facility.

So... when you put the latest

smoking gun memo

into the time line of who did what and when....... no surprise... this is much ado about nothing new..
The white house was happy to jump on the CIA spin... and that is what the memo shows was happening... following the CIA lead on the spin at that time..

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2... veals_that_obama_white_house_agreed.html

(Weigle is a libertarian leaning blogger)

Taking names and kicking global butt, unilaterally.... aka the good ol days ended when Bush bankrupted the country in Iraq. So, even tho we would love to THINK that the US could snap their fingers and make the world behave... We refuse to write that check for the politicians anymore!... US opinion says.. Nope.. We will NOT bomb Syria.. Nope, we will NOT bomb Russia. Ok.. how about Iran type huge financial sanctions... NOPE... The Germans are not going to suck it up for the

freedom

of the current crooks in power in Ukraine. That does not mean we LIKE the current state of affairs...... So.. much better to blame Obama for all the events and actions that the US can't (and shouldn't) try to fix in the world. BUT... we can dream about the glory that was Pre IRAQ and

presidential leadership

will make the world safe for US hegemony..
Rand Paul is the only Republican who gets it. Why don't you guys follow his lead.

The amazing thing about your blindered,apologist, Obama NEVER at fault view is that you never listen to anyone long enough to know who's lead they are following. You just proved that in your above statement. I don't understand how you can agree with Rand Paul at all because he is the antithesis of you, as am I.

Paul is the ONLY republican who makes any policy points that I agree with...
Criminal Justice Reform... I agree with him... Way too much money spent on prisons with no payoff for society and huge costs for non violent offenders.
I agree with his even handed approach to the mid east.
I agree with him on his rejection of most of the Patriot Act ..NSA spying provisions.
I agree with him on pulling back on foreign adventures....
His economic and social justice policies are wrong.

Of course he is swimming up hill to represent the Republican Party.... so...

I did not say Obama was not at fault.. Just that Bengazi (coverup) is BS political hackery.

Obama intervened in Lybia (leading from behind as the republicans ridiculed) because of the unique situation in lybia and it worked with the French leading the way... and stopped a major killing disaster. However, the followup policy is dicey and probably wrong... The military/hawk faction wants a footprint on the ground... to effectively deter

bad guys

we want to get rid of... See Afghanistan... (Obama wants a minimal footprint... and Max drone attacks if needed.) So they compromised... In Lybia... it bit them in the butt as they tried to navigate the post war period with a small footprint.. It's still chaos over there now but they fight over money and not religion... So no footprint or a very small footprint would have been the best call... It costs the USA human lives when we intervene... It cost the US three civilian lives in Libyia... Far better result tho then Iraq or Viet Nam and Afganistan.

Obama learned... They have 90% so far of the chem weapons out of Syria so far with one location to go... ... The factions are not tired of killing each other yet... we can't stop it... and so, we have a minimal footprint.

I like politicians who adapt...and don't screw up to the tune of Iraq or Viet Nam.

They have tried to hide the facts. To me that alone makes them guilty.Why would you try to hide the facts if you had done the honorable, right thing. You are an apologist. First sentence you say Obama is at fault and then spend the rest of the paragraph defending him. Make up your mind. Intentions don't mean crap, results do.

Right, sorry about the misquote

That statement is incorrect. The cover-up was to hide policy/administration failure before an election. No sense debating the rest of that as it's just expanding on a false premise.

Ah Context ..

Todd... it was a proper US role to lead from behind in Lybia protecting stopping a major humanitarian crisis.

MISTAKE to keep a footprint on the ground BECAUSE the CIA and Military want to influence events on the ground in what was and continues to be a grab for guns, and power among tribes.

Good Policy to get chemicals out of Syria...

Good policy to NOT arm sunni's in Syria so that they can go fight shitites and allowites... Let the Saudi's do it. They have been fighting for mecca for 800 years. Fact is... there is nothing we can do about it without costing the world a lot of money and non Syrian lives.

You get a scorecard as president.... some decisions bite you in the butt.... Benghazi policy on the ground was a mistake. Budget cuts leading to decreased security was a mistake (collect enough money to pay for important stuff)..

Now IRAQ was a disaster that will cost us for 40 years (vet health benefits at the very least).
Reagan's policy to intervene in Lebanon got 260 marines killed in a terroist bombing before we retreated and IT was a mistake.
Viet Nam was a disaster that cost us for 30 years.

Bengazhi is a mistake the size of a pimple!

As to your point..
"they have tried to hide the facts'.... uhm..... they have had TWO investigations... one by the ex Joint chief of staff appointed by Bush. .. The facts are known.

A political memo on a national security issue is not a FACT about natl security. ...it is NOT a fact about policy... its is a fact about politics in America... We let politicians play politics... we call it spin... Critical thinkers sort out the spin from the policy. The republicans are true believers in some crazy wag the dog story that this cost them the election....(hey.. it worked for Reagan to screw Carter... why wouldn't the Dem's use similar methods to screw Romeny) Now it is just politics.

Hell, the Republican military chair McKeonon just told the Republican ISSA.... that he has his head up his butt calling that retired general who had NO KNOWLEDGE of what was going on to further the POLITICS of this matter.

This is just politics.... and it is meaningless politics.... (unless you think you can keep this noise going till Clinton beats Paul in 2016.)

And there you have it. Faux News will keep Todd's impotent rage at a high boil until long after Hillary is elected. Depending on which dog whistle they blow, Todd will jump from B-E-N-G-H-A-Z-I, to Obamacare, to global climate change, to minimum wage increases, to something else pulled out of Faux's collective booties and then circle back around to start all over again.

Actually, his is close to my point of the OP.
My point is that this Admin. LIED on purpose about the event.

From the get go it was a terrorist attack on our embassy, our embassador was killed.
Then they lied their butt about it again, and again, and again.
Then, he changed his story a bit, after he and his staffed LIED.

Spin that any way want.

When you're done licking the windows and spilling your ice cream cone, care to elaborate on the upside to those topics?

Umm... those two reports investigating just this point... said... NOPE... No lies... just confusion... made worse by politics.

It is curious that you only worry about politics.... Which you lost... It seems that you believe the spin confused the american people. Facts are they voted for Obama at levels approaching Eisenhower..and they DON"T CARE about Benhazi Fox news politics.. The policy calls are another issue... the people agree with Rand Paul and Obama... No more foreign adventures...

(What are you going to do when Rand Paul takes the Republican Nomination...) PS... stock market hit an all time hi today.
You need new talking points.

Bush caused that.

That's your only barometer on the economy?

When the unemployment rate feel slightly, were you aware that the # of people in actually working is also way down?
You are aware that that stat is derived solely from those seeking unemployment benefits?

And Mark, do you keep up with current events? You were aware that on an open records act, they just found emails fabricating the whole - it was a video thing? Stick to MSLSD dude, they have all one side- no problem.

1:15 a.m.: The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,* having asked for talking points, gets a draft from the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis. It starts with this line, the one that would undo Susan Rice during her run through the Sunday shows:

We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. consulate and subsequently its annex.

12:23 p.m.: The CIA's office of general counsel adds a line about the

inspired by the protests

theory being inconclusive.

3:04 p.m.: The talking points are sent to relevant White House aides, including Ben Rhodes.

4:42 p.m.: The CIA circulates new talking points but removes a mention of al Qaida.

6:21 p.m.: The White House (Tommy Vietor, not Ben Rhodes) ads a line about the administration warning, on September 10, of social media reports calling for demonstrations.

7:39 p.m.: State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland objects to some of the language because

the penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings.

8:09 p.m.: Ben Rhodes sends the

smoking gun

email, nine hours after the first draft of talking points from the CIA said that the attacks grew out of a demonstration.

So... ... the smoking gun... is just a spin story that follows the CIA lead... (who wanted to coverup the fact that they had a facility there... which is normal operating procedure)

What is fabricated is the politics... the policy issues are important... Bit of course... cutting funds for state department security.... well that was a house republican decision...

Hey Einstein,

Talking points?

Mark, what has the US economy been growing at? What rate?
Could you cut and paste that please?
'Cause I could swear it was at 1/10, of 1 percent.
Say it with me, 1/10th, of 1 percent. Say it again, and again, and again, and then tell me about your stock market highs.

And you think this slimey Charlatan is doing well, because the greed ravaged stock market hit an all timne high?

Einstein- what's a better measure? The growth rate of the economy- which has been on life support for many years; or the specluative stock market?

That's what I thought you'd say. How's that Kool Aid taste?

OH, but WAIT, Oh, you're really an OK liberal Mark- 'cause you actually like most of what Rand Paul says and stands for?
So you're a liberal, that actually has some conservative standards? Who'd a thunk?

And you're telling ME, to get some new talking points?
You and Mikee, you guys are hilarious

.. well that was a house republican decision...

It's those Darn Repos- Big Ears says it at least once a day to the press.

It's never his, or his admins. fault

Oh wait, isn't your idol Rand Paul a ..............Repo?

I thought you were concerned about the

as to jerking your chain with Rand Paul policies that Obama agrees with... Well that is just sport.... (The real world of policy is a complicated place you know)

As to the threads point... you do understand that all spending bills begin in the house.. so... yes with respect to the POLICY in Lybia... you note the funding failures and the policy failures.

With respect to main street versus wall street issues... I though a pure republican capitalist like yourself would be celebrating American capitalism high water mark! If you are not jumping for joy at this all time high... ... well you would have no choice but to re regulate and or change the system.

What does your dog whistle tell you to do here Todd?

Pure republican capitalists meet their people.

In their quest to cripple solar power and protect the profits of their fossil fuels-based businesses, the Koch brothers have run into an unexpected and potent adversary: tea party conservatives.

Recently, I wrote about how the billionaire Koch boys, conservative state legislators and big utilities are leading the charge in several states to force private citizens with solar panels on their homes to pay extra fees to be connected to the power grid. At the time it looked as if they had won a big victory in Oklahoma, where the Republican-dominated Legislature passed a bill authorizing just such a fee scheme.

It turns out all the hard work of the anti-solar forces was immediately blunted by an executive order issued by Gov. Mary Fallin. The order directs the state energy commission to impose solar fees only as a last resort and to continue making expansion of solar power a priority.

The question is how a Republican governor in a deep red state can go against the Kochs, the most notable financial contributors to right wing causes in the country. The answer is that among the thousands of people who are installing solar panels on their roofs (at an estimated rate of one new system every four minutes) are a whole bunch of independent-minded folks with strong libertarian impulses. They may or may not belong to the tea party, but they want to be able to fend for themselves without big government or big business telling them what they can and can’t do.

To these conservative-minded citizens, the extra fee being pushed by the Kochs and the utilities is the worst thing in the world: a tax.

“Monopoly utilities want to extinguish the independent rooftop solar market in America to protect their socialist control of how we get our electricity.” That assertion comes from the website of a group named TUSK, or Tell Utilities Solar Won’t Be Killed. It is a coalition of conservatives led by former California Congressman Barry Goldwater Jr. that, so far, has been very successful in beating back the energy industry attack.

Their next big fight may be in Arizona, where Goldwater’s father, the former senator and Republican presidential candidate, is venerated. There the utilities have managed to get a monthly $5 fee — or tax — slapped on the bills of ratepayers with home solar units. But the state’s largest utility company, Arizona Public Service, one of the many holdings of Pinnacle West Capital Corp., wanted so much more. They had sought a fee of $50 to $100 but got into trouble themselves by conducting a surreptitious campaign against solar users funded by “dark money” and then repeatedly lying about what they were up to. The Koch brothers are alleged to be among the sources of the mysterious funding.

Now Arizona Public Service is pushing a tax on solar companies that lease solar systems to homeowners. This new tactic could be blocked by another female Republican governor, Jan Brewer, who is sometimes called “the solar queen.” If she decides to step in she will have the backing of Goldwater and plenty of conservatives who like getting their power from the sun and not from some giant monopoly.

The Koch brothers must be befuddled. All this time they thought they had bought and paid for the loyalty of tea party folks. Now, it turns out they are dealing with genuine rebels who look at the pushy billionaires as just another manifestation of King George III.

Why aren't you out in Nevada with your people Todd?

When a bunch of American-hating thugs decided to help Cliven Bundy violently violate a Federal Court order they engaged in terrorist threats and terrorist activities against: BLM, Nevada Metro Police, Federal employees, National Park Rangers, Nevada State Police, News crews and Hotel clerks.

Within the past few days, local 8 News NOW received Police Reports and other information that show Bundy's Anti-American, Anti-Government thugs:

-

poured lighter fluid around

news trucks,
- Issued

bomb threats

against Hotels where Federal employees were lodging,
- told hotel staff they would be

dragged out in the parking lot and shot

- Bundy thugs asked Metro Police Sgt Jenkins if

he was ready to die

SHERIFF LOMARDO:

We were outgunned, outmanned and there would not have been a good result from it.

As is the case with many terrorist organizations who hold people hostage at gun point, terrorist leader Cliven Bundy issued

demands

to the United States government in exchange for releasing law enforcement from gun point and threats.
Cliven Bundy gave the US Government one hour to meet his demands and if the Government did not meet his demands his thugs would continue to terrorize law enforcement, federal employees, News crews and hotel staff.

BUNDY: ...disarm the Park service -- and all Federal Parks the US Government claims they have jurisdiction over. Take your county bulldozers and tear down the entrance places -- the -- where they ticket us and where they - ah - entrance and make us citizens pay their fees. You get the county equipment down there and tear those things down this morning. You disarm those Park service people. You take a pick-up

and I want those arms. [Facing the crowd of thugs] WE want those arms picked up don't we? Call Riley Disposal and go up here ta this compound [pointing at Bundy's compound] and we want all of those arms put in that compound taday! We want those arms delivered right here under these flags in one hour! And media -- are you here media? I want you to go to everyplace that they gotta central park service - ah - station and you watch those county machines tear down those -- those place taday in the next hour. And you [media] report back to these people -- we the people in one hour. If it's not -- if there's not done then we'll decide what we're gonna do from that -- this point on.

Within the last few days, Local 8 News NOW interviewed the law enforcement who were on the scene. Sheriff Lombardo described his thoughts as Bundy issued his terrorist demands:

LOMBARDO:

I mean, the hair was up on the back of my neck. There was the so-called militia surrounding the stage. There was a lot of firepower out there and it made me nervous. anything could happen,

Lombardo went on to say
LOMBARDO:

Mr. Bundy, in my personal opinion, incited the crowd,

Journalists Were Threatened:
8 News NOW reports their reporters were physically threatened

They were equally hostile to journalists covering the story. Pistol-packing militia men have blocked 8 News NOW's access to public roads. Some poured lighter fluid around our news vehicle while others got physical.

Law Enforcement Threatened:
In an interview with 8 News NOW Sgt. Jenkins said a Bundy thug asked him if

he was ready to die.

JENKINS:

Some of them, there's no doubt from talking to me, want it, to get a chance that day to fire upon a police officer or authority period. I don't think it mattered if it was BLM or us.

Jenkins went on to describe that he could not get the death threat off of his mind and said:

JENKINS:

You are standing there going, 'I just hope it doesn't hurt when it comes. That it's quick,' and it was real for us. It was real.

REPORTER: You thought you might die?
JENKINS: Yeah.

BLM and law enforcement's objective turned from enforcing and carrying out a Federal Court order (impound and remove Bundy's cows from Public Land) to defusing terrorist threats from Bundy's thugs.
Sheriff Joe Lombardo told 8 News NOW the Bundy thugs had law enforcement outgunned:

Hotel Bomb Threats & Death Threats to Hotel Employees:
Within the past few days, Channel 8 News obtained Police Reports that show:

Holiday Inn Express received at least nine threatening phone calls in April, after they allowed BLM rangers to stay in the hotel.
Workers were told to kick out the BLM or they

would not be standing in the morning.

8 News also reports:
One Mesquite hotel worker, who didn't want to go on camera, said he was told by an anonymous militia member that he would be

dragged out in the parking lot and shot

.

When BLM and law enforcement left Bundy and his fellow domestic terrorists without arresting anyone I thought it was a mistake. Now, however, I think law enforcement did the right thing. They diffused the insane, hostile situation and are currently compiling evidence to issue arrests. Better still, the infighting among the Bundy thugs is so intense they are actually pulling guns on each other.

LOMBARDO:

Sometimes in public safety, it is hard to back down. We are not trained to operate that way, but they [law enforcement] took the better route, and it was the right way to go. It's all about lives. I mean, what is the better route to go? To be right or to be effective?

After BLM and law enforcement left, Bundy and his domestic terrorist thug brethren turned their hate and paranoia on each other. They have been itching for a 'civil war' but I don't think they thought their 'civil war' would be against each other.

Meanwhile, if Bundy's thugs don't kill each other first, Sheriff Lombardo confirmed to Channel 8 that no matter how long it takes, Bundy and his thugs will be dealt with.

Fox News 5 is reporting that Bundy's armed thugs surrounded the City Council room and stood watch over a

standing-room only City council meeting

yesterday. Why did Bundy's thugs attend the City Council meeting? Were they there to intimidate?

Fox News is also is claiming that the

attendees gathered for the town hall had nothing but praise for

Bundy's thugs -- but I'm not sure they're correct as one woman sounds to be saying just the opposite.

I called Metro, and their exact words to me were, ‘It's the BLM and Cliven Bundy's problem,' - and I should take it up with one of those two. There are my children and my community, and if Metro doesn't have the guts to come out and protect us – what are you here for? What are we paying you guys for?

another attendee said.

And I'm not sure if this is

praise

either?

COUNCIL MEMBER

I'm really disappointed in our sheriff for not being out here to protect the citizens who are out here."

OK Mark,

I ask again, what was that rate the economy has grown under Big Ears reign?
And no Mark, yet I consider myself a capatalist, free market kinda guy, I'd much rather see an actual number from the real world- like the rate of growth of our economy, instead of a mark set by greed, and made movies out of by Hollywood stars that are so far left, the're back on the right. Full circle

So Todd, is the reason you jump to so many Faux News dog whistles because of your overwhelming sense of personal insignificance? Impotent rage will do that.

Like a idiot i clicked here, and now i need to point out that:
These corporate news stories quoted here have heaps of fiction in them.
Bundy did pay his grazing fees to the State, but they were returned to him because the BLM claims to own the land.
So, the custodians, or BLM showed up in full swat type gear to collect fees? Speculation is that if the x-military snipers had not gotten a bead on the BLM's hired mercenary snipers, then there would have been a Waco type encounter.
Veterans standing up to corporate fascism is the way many are viewing this.
All across the west these so called feds are grabbing the land on the pretext of preserving some animal like a turtle, then they end up selling it cheap to developers, miners, ect. The story here being that harry reed had a deal with chineese solar farm developers.
Whatever the use was going to be, the hired goons came in to get those families off that land and they started out by tasering a pregnant woman. They also murdered cattle and buried them in shallow graves. By some coincidence blm had brought dozers, dump trucks, and heavy fire power to this exercise.
This is a real issue since there are quite a few states that are looking at getting free from the feds.
The spin of calling vets terrorists, when they are defending the last farmer in that area from being rolled over is just evil.

In the 20 months since four Americans were killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya, two official investigations have reached pretty much the same conclusions. The State Department Accountability Review Board (ARB) and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) looking into the tragedy found an opportunistic attack that should have been prevented but was not due to poor intelligence, inadequate security on the ground, and dismal information sharing between the U.S. military, the State Department and the CIA. There was no military response that could have been launched in time to save Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. And there was no cover up by the Obama administration.

But that just won’t do for a Republican Party determined to exploit the deaths to sabotage both President Obama and his possible successor, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. So on Friday, Speaker John Boehner announced he would appoint a select House committee to expand on Darrell Issa’s Benghazi inquisition that has already produced 13 hearings, 25,000 pages of documents and 50 briefings. That means the American people will be subjected to the spectacle of endless hearings, deceptive leaks, fabricated stories and altered emails through the November midterms and beyond, all because the GOP and its right-wing allies can’t handle the truth.

Which is why when President George W. Bush and his defenders found themselves besieged by real scandals, they didn’t turn to the truth as a defense. Instead, Bush and his minions turned to these 15 tactics (among others) to survive:

Accuse the Opposition of Slandering the President

Oppose the Investigation

Agree to Testify, But Not Under Oath

Ignore Congressional Subpoenas

Claim Executive Privilege

Threaten to Fire the Wrongdoers--and Then Don’t

Accuse the Opposition of

Criminalizing Politics

Attack the Victim...

...And Attack the Victims' Families

Use a Popular Military Hero as a Human Shield

Say the Administration Lost the Emails Due to Buggy Software

Delay the Findings for Years

Give Rice Better Sound Bites

Declare That

Nobody Could Have Predicted

the Disaster

Make Fun of Your Mistakes That Killed Americans

Have you thought this up yet Todd?

Tomorrow, President Obama is going to do interviews with meteorologists all across the country about a new climate change report...I hope they ask him about Benghazi!

— Fox News host Dana Perino

Don't worry, you will.

in this day of 24 hour news cycles, what else could they do to grab eyeballs (and therefore sell advertising)?

Maybe this?

Tennessee Republican state Sen. Stacey Campfield posted a message reading,

Democrats bragging about the number of mandatory sign ups for Obamacare is like Germans bragging about the number of manditory [sic] sign ups for 'train rides' for Jews in the 40s.

How long will it take Todd to hear this dog whistle?

meh... I'd rather watch House of Cards. BTW, when does season 3 come out?