Read this short article until the end please!
The Washington Post
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by more inches of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.
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I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - over 90 years ago.
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Damn that pesky global warming.......................
We've got a thread already for this stuff Todd.
interesting to note from NPR (not exactly your climate skeptic)... sea ice melt will not change sea levels, as the ice has already displaced its mass in the ocean. Glacier and sheet ice over land might...
not that I want to hash this all over again on a SAILING forum...
not that I want to hash this all over again on a SAILING forum...
The devil is in the details - yes, melting
sea ice
will not change sea levels as the ice is floating and is displacing it's weight in water. However, I think some of the detail is getting lost in this translation because there is more than just
sea ice
out there. I'm betting another 10 minutes of that episode would have probably gotten around to this part of the subject.
After hearing some reports of a 30 foot sea level rise a couple of years ago, I too was skeptical so I did some research and math on my own. What I found is that even if you just consider Antarctica, where most of the ice is on a continental land mass, that a 30 foot sea level rise is incredibly EASY to hit if only a small part of Antarctica melted. This ignores Greenland, the arctic, and many other land based masses of ice. It's astonishing but true.
If Greenland were to all melt, the oceans would rise 20 feet. If Antarctica were to all melt, the oceans would rise 200 feet. We're talking about a LOT of ice out there and it's not melting
tomorrow
. The main estimates on future ocean levels if the current melt rates continue is between 20 and 40 inches by 2100.
It's kinda fun to watch everyone gradually convert to the idea that
hey, things are actually getting warmer
. It's only taken about 10 years. Todd, you are of a withering few, my friend. While it may be entertaining to point at the drastic cold snaps and make a snarky comment about how it ironically relates to
warming
, the truth is that these are due largely to instability in the weather driven by incredibly slight changes in ocean currents and other variables. Giant snow event!?
Aaaaa! - Global warming is a farce!
Yet, it's moisture in the atmosphere (from extra warmth at various layers in the ocean surface and atmosphere) that creates snow. You'll get there eventually - hang in there.
Todd may not be onboard with global warming/global climate change but he is totally convinced the lizard people control our societies.
From Public Policy Polling
- 37% of voters believe global warming is a hoax, 51% do not. Republicans say global warming is a hoax by a 58-25 margin, Democrats disagree 11-77, and Independents are more split at 41-51. 61% of Romney voters believe global warming is a hoax
- 4% of voters say they believe “lizard people” control our societies by gaining political power
- 28% of voters believe secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order. A plurality of Romney voters (38%) believe in the New World Order compared to 35% who don’t
- 15% of voters say the government or the media adds mind-controlling technology to TV broadcast signals
- 5% believe exhaust seen in the sky behind airplanes is actually chemicals sprayed by the government for sinister reasons
I would point out that I've always believed the climate changes. It's been doing so for millions of years and will continue well after humanity's demise.
I'm still not sure (1) how much of that (as a % of total) is
our
fault and (2) how much of the climate we can
control
My contribution to the green movement is primarily through conservation. Because I'm too much of a cheapskate to pay for wasted energy (like leaving the lights on, driving a gas guzzler, etc)
I'm still not sure (1) how much of that (as a % of total) is
our
fault and (2) how much of the climate we can
control
My contribution to the green movement is primarily through conservation. Because I'm too much of a cheapskate to pay for wasted energy (like leaving the lights on, driving a gas guzzler, etc)
X2, I believe things change in cycles and I am not sure humans can contribute much towards the change in either direction. Plenty of instances in recorded history where places were once warmer (and cooler) than they are now.
Well, I can tell you I have seen the effects of humans on the atmosphere, every time I descend into LAX or SAN, there is a huge brown layer of smog you come into at about 5000', give or take a few, depending on temps and surface winds. It has gotten better in the past 20 years, due to the emission controls put on the cars, and better fuel blends, etc. but it's still there.
And then there's China and India, you should see some of the smog they generate! It makes the worst day in LA look like a spring morning in the alps!
Now, compare that to what Mother Nature throws up into the atmosphere all by herself, in the way of volcanic ash and forest fire smoke, and the big red dust storms coming off the African coast, well, I'd call it a draw.
BUT...one thing is certain, we humans can at least try to do something about it, in the way of conservation and/or emissions reductions. Will it change anything, long term?
Who knows, but at least we could try to clean up after ourselves. It couldn't hurt.
The environment is a commie plot.
Disregard for the environment is a capitalist plot.
Where is the environment anyway? The yucca pen? Maybe Cecil Webb?
To paraphrase Savwafair, It's everywhere.
I'm a water person.
The Red Neck Yacht Club is meeting out on Bermont Road this weekend. I'll pass.
I spent last weekend at the Fish Shacks off Pineland. But I'm wary of eating the oysters. Unfortunately, in much of Charlotte Harbor the eating of raw oysters is not recommended due to fecal coliform. The developers of Cape Coral and Port Charlotte did not put in sewers. It's cheaper that way. Now when we really need them, no one is willing to pay the price.
And then there's China and India, you should see some of the smog they generate! It makes the worst day in LA look like a spring morning in the alps!
Now, compare that to what Mother Nature throws up into the atmosphere all by herself, in the way of volcanic ash and forest fire smoke, and the big red dust storms coming off the African coast, well, I'd call it a draw.
BUT...one thing is certain, we humans can at least try to do something about it, in the way of conservation and/or emissions reductions. Will it change anything, long term?
Who knows, but at least we could try to clean up after ourselves. It couldn't hurt.
Watch the Chinese Grand Prix this weekend. You'll see the air.
Ah, Grasshopper! Cape Coral (by area the 2nd largest city in the state) started an extensive water, sewer, reclaimed water program years ago. I've had all three for well over 10 years.
Marco Island had the same issue (septic causing fecal coliform blooms in the waterways). I think they just finished up a huge sewer project that cost a go-zillion dollars, but maybe it will help in the long run.
I recall Tampa Bay used to be pretty dang ugly in the 60s, but has since cleaned up quite nicely.
so if we stopped generating electricity and using petrol, how much could we stop or reverse?
I use +/- 700 KwH per month at the house (no heating oil) and my car gets 40 mpg on low octane gas.
I travel locally a lot (radius 100 miles, average trip 25 miles). I could bike perhaps, but would never cover my territory even if I were doped up like Lance.
The only estimate I've read is that 2% of the increase in green house gases is directly attributable to human influence.
Todd:
Even if you don't believe in global warming, the worst case scenario of
going green
is that we will have less pollution, cleaner air, and less dependency on oil and coal.
How can that be a bad thing?
I guess the only
bad
thing to going
green
would be the current cost of such decision.
Conservation seems to be my only option, even for food.
Unfortunately, I don't think hardly anyone read that article word for word.
Then, maybe they didn't read the bottom line, which was :
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - over 90 years ago.
Get a grip people!
Every lefty is bashing me here, as if I'm some kind of skeptic ot something!
I didn't write the article, my time machine wasn't working well then, this was from the 'Washington Post'- IN 1922!!
I thought it was bery interesting, and ironic, coming from 1922!
What a bunch of......
Even if you don't believe in global warming, the worst case scenario of
going green
is that we will have less pollution, cleaner air, and less dependency on oil and coal.
How can that be a bad thing?
Tony- for instance- producing 'electric cars', and then generating the electricity to power them, is usually more pollutant than just driving a modern car? Look it up. Yet, someone gets a 'tax break' for doing it?
How much clean water is used, before one gallon of ethanol is produced? While you're at it, look that one up too.
Tony, did it ever occur to you that someone like me for instance, might have forgotten more than you ever knew?
Just saying, the OP was a quote from an article, from 1922!
Then, maybe they didn't read the bottom line, which was :
I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - over 90 years ago.
Get a grip people!
Every lefty is bashing me here, as if I'm some kind of skeptic ot something!
I didn't write the article, my time machine wasn't working well then, this was from the 'Washington Post'- IN 1922!!
I thought it was bery interesting, and ironic, coming from 1922!
What a bunch of......
It might be hilarious if our scientific capabilities were still the same as they were in 1922. We're a little better at measuring things now...so the article's surmise doesn't really carry through to the similar things we hear today.
Added to which, you can ~probably~ find an article that claims just about any point over the last 91 years.
Even if you don't believe in global warming, the worst case scenario of
going green
is that we will have less pollution, cleaner air, and less dependency on oil and coal.
How can that be a bad thing?
Good point, but could we also achieve those goals by a 10% reduction in our use of current
non-green
energy?
the world goes through natural hot and cold cycles. rise and fall of water levels, naturally occurring toxins and billions of tons are spit into the air by volcanoes... solar flair cycles affect our world too - and gravity sucks!
That is all our of our control, but we still can reduce our own toxic footprint.
we pour billions of tons of toxins into our air & water, plus drugs and toxins in our cattle, pork, and chix. (cattle/pig contribute more methane than human industry)
changes in human energy sources/infrastructural, life style and diet WILL reduce toxins in our environment
want to debate who benefits from
Global warming
and how corrupt the world is ... or do WE want to make small changes that will help our envelopment, and maybe even make a better one for our children or grandchildren.....
I'd be good with going back to living in a cave in the woods (near a beach of course, with some logs to build a Proa!).
And then you asked yourself; Isn't there something MORE to life??
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Well let me tell you, There isn't!
As long as there is a good dentist close by.
Even if you don't believe in global warming, the worst case scenario of
going green
is that we will have less pollution, cleaner air, and less dependency on oil and coal.
How can that be a bad thing?
Because no matter how much we do to go green it will never be enough. Cut and paste brings up 1600 years of whatever. Lets talk about what has happened to this planet in the last 40 million years to get a true perspective on
climate change
.
No the power and control freaks push this agenda pure and simple and short of wiping out the entire population of the world (except for them) they will never be satisfied. NEVER. And if you believe otherwise your a fool.
And then you asked yourself; Isn't there something MORE to life??
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Well let me tell you, There isn't!
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