Catamarans have been invited to Gulfport to Pensacola Race

I've done it on big boats a bunch of times, even did it on the R33 one year. But I've always had the jones to do it on a beach cat. This could be the year...

interesting....but here we go again with the tether for multihull including while trapzeing. I am not a fan of the tether. To my knowledge, I don't know of a single instance where it has provided anyone an advantage. I feel that it is much more of an entanglement liability and serves to potentially keel-haul you if you fall overboard. I've been personally involved with an offshore capsize with a dangerous entanglement issue that was close to becoming life threatening. I just can't imagine any scenario that I would want to be tethered to the boat in sailing conditions.

Having one

on my person ready and available to be used

, however, I think is smart - it could come in handy in all sorts of situations.

Jake and all,

I have always used a harness and a strap to the appropriate attachment point on the boat, which varies. Nowdays the length is the study point for planers and soon to foil guys. I have not been in a serious offshore race, since the seventies, and not found the time to break out the harness line and hook on if the need be.

I told Bob Hodges the secret lies in the line,

trapeze wires may be synthetic.

... means modern tethers may be much lighter and stronger than the old style Forespars with the heavy shackles and strapping - very bulky to wear on deck, but I was always glad to have it when changing sails during a storm at night, offshore.

The jury is out on this until Randy, a member of our safety committee, returns from Hawaii. He will know the latest and wisest course to take.

I have never used a tether on a catamaran because I firmly held the sheets, but with synthetics and safe knives - why not? We just need to find the magic length for the trimarans and catamarans. Tea bagging at night ain't fun, but swimming alone with a PFD, tracking device, and strobe may not be preferred as well. Our boats do not sink, so I say we stay hooked in when necessary, and stow the tether when not in use. Just have one on!!! I used my foul weather gear pockets to hide mine from my feet and hands.

The safety committee will issue an announcement after Randy gets back.

Mike,

I remember you and Rick ripping down the coast that year like you were a beach cat:-)

Y'all had her all nice and tied up pretty in the slip by the time we got in on the C 24.

It's impossible to enforce the use of a tether once the team leaves the beach, at best it will be a guideline and a personal choice made by the team.

I'd heard that G to P was making an outreach to multihulls. I had considered entering the race until I heard that Bert Rice was involved. I've been avoiding races run by him for the past six years because of prior bad experiences.

oh well, count this multihull out.

I finally spoke with Randy this morning at FWYC where he is putting on a trimaran racing clinic. We both agreed the safety recommendations are sound, and the OA from Southern Yacht Club is hoping multihulls return for another go.

The race can last all night on a trimaran, but Gene Wallet owns the unofficial record (almost forty years old) on a Pacific catamaran. If I remember the boat even flew a kite. He finished before dawn, I believe.

I meant to add that our next offshore racing adventure will be the RtI in September, and we are shooting for a division of small tris and an

Everglades Challenge

- style, course format.

News on Safety update: One of the tri sailors has appealed the OA for the same safety requirements as the monohull entries, and that has reached the OA channel for review. The issue is now EPIRBs and PLBs.

The jury is out, so more clarification will be required. At least the process is working before - hand, in order to make the challenge more friendly but keep it safe.

Interesting point. If the OA feels strongly that the multihulls entering this regatta are less inherently safe than the monohulls, you can (and should) have different requirements. This may not turn out to be a popular decision amongst potential entries.

Another way to go is to list those devices as strong recommendations (not requirements) for all boats in the regatta.

Mike

Sailing is not football... it's not a game about what you can get away with under the nose of the official... its not about bending the rules....

Agree with the rules or don't race... You follow the rules... or you don't race sailboats... It should never be about enforcing the rules.

Point made. I will not be attending ANY regatta where a rule made up by an uneducated OA has the potental to reduce my safety at sea. Although it could be a nice payday for my widow and her new husband. How did your first husband die Ms. Kathy... He got tangled in his mandated teather and drown and it worked out for Pedro and I and nicely.

In an effort for an OA to reduce their liability they end up exposing themselves further. Still seems like saftey at sea issues should be guidelines not rules. Right up there with it's your decision and your decision only if you push off the beach or not.

+1

Having myself tethered to the boat (small, extremely maneuverable multihull) can most definitely be a liability. I won't race with one attached. Have you ever had your sailing buddy say to you

don't let me die, dude

as he's being dragged under water tangled up in a turtling boat? I have and we both narrowly avoided the worst [censored] awful situation (particularly him). You'll never convince me to purposely clip myself into a boat that could easily end up flipping, twisting, rolling, and upside down. No way.

And as Dave pointed out - for the OA to require it is putting them in a potentially tough spot too. Require things that aren't potential liabilities - EPIRBs, VHFs, float plans, charts, flares, etc. If you feel the need to mention them, advise/suggest things that carry some liability with them.

Requiring a personal tether on a boat that is more stable upside down that it is right side up is a gigantic liability.

Not taking sides, I will add here that I've seen tethers required by cat clubs before, and these were experienced cat sailors (really old New England 100 days). IIRC, they were required on the boat, but you didn't have to be clipped in.

Tethers, like PFDs, are tough. People have been trapped under boats and unable to escape without removing their PFD. Others have been saved only because of the PFD. Other than probabilities, one group isn't more

right

than the other.

Bring dragged behind a boat is no fun, neither is having the boat drift away from you with no rescue boat in sight. Would make the EPIRB and VHF on your person suddenly much more important, though...

Mike

Mike,

Saying you've seen the tether requirement before and it was supported by very experienced sailors (in your opinion btw) doesn't really make as strong a point as you think it does. Just because someone else does or says something won't change my position unless they have a very compelling argument. I have an EPIRB on my person (my crew does too) I'm NOT tieing myself to the boat. If that's a rule then so be it, I have other options.

And for f!@k sake take a position! The middle of the road is completely uninteresting. Even though Mark annoys the piss out of me he almost never bores me. When he channels Wouter is when he bores me.

Experienced

doesn't necessarily equal

smart

.

I get PFDs. The risk and severity of the issue that the extra buoyancy could trap me under something on the boat is pretty small compared to the likely hood I would not be able to tread water for the length of time I might need before being rescued.

The level of risk I carry with getting separated from the boat (while I have a PFD, EPIRB, and VFD on me) is much lower than the risk of the entanglement that could kill me if the boat flips, rolls, and turtles. That one gives me about 1 minute, and my buddy an additional 3 or 4 assuming he can administer CPR on an upside down catamaran, to figure out how I survive. On the other hand, if I got separated from the boat with the typical gear I wear, I've probably got 48 hours or more (since I carry water in my PFD too) to figure something out. If nothing else, I'll take the option with extra time.

Now, I do believe in CARRYING a tether that is tied to me. You never know when being able to throw 20 feet of line to something might come in really handy...just not with both ends clipped in with the intent to keep me with the boat.

Being tied to my boat would be a deal breaker for me.

I actually agree with you guys, if it matters. But, there is always more than one way to look at things.

Mike

I WAS one of those

really old New England 100 days

sailors. They didn't make you tie yourself to the boat, you had to have the means to do it if you wanted to, lots of races do that. They also made you carry an anchor which generally did more harm to your boat in waves than good if you tried to use it in the rocks. The GT300 likes you tied to the boat also as well as leaving your VHF on all the time , so when you really need it ,it's dead. Not me, ain't doing it. I as well have been tangled under a turtled boat and will do everything in my power to make sure it doesn't happen again. OAs don't want to hear experiences, they just want liability mitigation, which they aren't going to get by increasing risk with mandates.

Must be a full moon. Now we have a few things in common...

Mike

I've known who you are since you came on the scene with the brew 16. Same place,same time but still little in common.

Don't get all warm and mushy or anything. I said a FEW things...

Better?

Mike

The author of the SIs has stepped in, and we have cleared up concerns from the PHRF Class by moving a few items off the

required

list in order to accommodate sailors who may only do an overnighter once a year. The author's pen and a consensus between the MHC and the OA from SYC has reached an agreement that now offers our multihull entries the same requirements as their keelboat entries. This will save one team from purchasing over $1,400 on EPIRBs and PLBs.

The one area of interest for catamaran sailors is the course. Keelboats are required to sail out into the Gulf of Mexico to Gulfport Sea Buoy (approx. 2.5 nm), proceed down the coast, leaving Mobile Sea Buoy to port, to the finish line off Pensacola Sea Buoy (3 nm offshore). We are considering a change in that plan for the catamarans.

Rather than have the catamarans that far offshore, we will push for a coastline sprint such as the Florida 300 or GT 300 style. We are hoping to have five boats this year, so some of you join us in Mississippi for a salty adventure.

Bert, I can't tell from the NOR, is there a size restriction for the multihulls? If there are going to be Hobie 16s or F18s on the water, I can see the concern about being 3 miles out (although that's not terribly far), but if it's all big boats (offshore tris), I don't see the concern.

Mike

We are pushing for the F 18s, I 20s, and other open DPN designs. These designs have proven to be

ocean worthy

by virtue of their history in Tybee contests and more recent challenges. These boats have a realistic target time for the race, and can be patrolled more easily than an open fleet with older designs mixed in.

We would consider an F 16 if the team is credible.

Simply put, the OA has the right to accept or deny entries, and they will defer a decision to our committee for consultation if there is a team on the fence of eligibility.

The inshore route is less contaminated with old oil and gas rigs. Some of which may not be lit. Once a boat is past Mobile Bay, they come into deep, open water on the Florida side.

Copy, thank you.

Mike

Can you expand upon this a little? I've been trading emails with Kett today on the safety equipment requirements b/c of the ambiguity of what is in the NOR. In what you said above, do you mean that the

big cats

(i.e. Sprint 750's, etc) are exempt from the requirements?

He's also asked me for a PHRF for the boat, which... doesn't exist. Regardless, Brian and I will be under a provisional D-PN or mod factor number; is that going to be accepted?

Really glad that you guys are interested and regret the confusion. This is the first year for a Multihull

Division.

That being said, the regs for cats (sailing with DPNs rather than under the PHRF Rule) are a dealt with, in general, within the 'Recommendations.' There are subtle differnces which vary between the PHRF Class (different needs) and beach cats (need for safety thing again).

Kett has done a great job and helped make this happen, but he was unfamiliar with this ambiguity when he drafted the NoR.

Since then we have been in dialogue, and he has published an amendment specifying requirements for the PHRF Class. Now that beach cats may truly become involved, I am sure we can arrive at a fair baseline start by telling you if you carry the same safety equipment you are used to carrying for overnight races, then you will be fine.

We will need to track the boat for progress, and we will need you to provide means of locating a separated crewman in a dark and angry sea state. Our recommendations are largely based on recent safety equipment employed by sailors in the Everglades Challenge, Florida 300, and GT 300. Those are your best guides.

I will contact him with this traffic.

Keep Sailing,
Bert Rice, PBYC and FWYC

Ok, you might want to check with Kett, now I'm told,

Unfortunately, that's going to be a problem. Per the NOR, your entry cannot be accepted without a GYA-MC sanctioned PHRF rating. The best I can do is direct you to the GYA-MC to see what you can get worked out. Here is the link to the GYA.org site: http://www.gya.org/?page_id=15. There is a PHRF certificate application there with contact information.

A Portsmouth division is not out of the question for future events, but it will require more advance notice and enough participation to justify it.