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tami
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good on Sam n'em at FWYC... they worked VERY hard!

Results and more pictures soon at www.fwyc.org

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Posted : July 7, 2008 7:16 am
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What kind of main sail is that on that Nacra 20 - number 20?


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 7:55 am
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Ditto Jake's question AND in the first picture is it normal to connect the forstay chainplate offset like that?


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 8:49 am
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does the rubber chicken work as a wind guage or is he there just for good cluck (i mean luck)


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 8:55 am
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Jake: Not my boat. Ask Mark Smith.
Chris: Not my boat. Ask Marc Reiter.
Andrew: It is my chicken. That is The Wind Chicken, and it's MIZ Wind Chicken to you.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 9:20 am
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Ditto Jake's question AND in the first picture is it normal to connect the forstay chainplate offset like that?

I didn't notice that - heck no! That's a failure waiting to happen.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 9:27 am
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Hello Miz, Say Hello to my

Little Friend

MR CHICKEN HAWK

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Posted : July 7, 2008 9:29 am
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That

extreme square top

sail's got the Key Sailing logo on it. Perhaps someone over there could elaborate?


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 9:45 am
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That

extreme square top

sail's got the Key Sailing logo on it. Perhaps someone over there could elaborate?

I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 10:13 am
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That

extreme square top

sail's got the Key Sailing logo on it. Perhaps someone over there could elaborate?

I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?

Check out the ncl jib with the mini squaretop. He usually sails with this setup at the OSYC events.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 10:38 am
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results are posted

http://www.fwyc.org/RaceInfo.html

scroll down to Meigs, look on the far right, click results of interest


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 12:14 pm
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I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?

Yes he would. Been talking about it for a while. Legal to do so in a Portsmouth event.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 12:32 pm
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I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?

Yes he would. Been talking about it for a while. Legal to do so in a Portsmouth event.

I thought a lot of portsmouth events have a rule about having boats sail with equipment legal within their classes though. I thought I saw that language for the RTI NOR.
Can' find it now though. You certainly know more about this than I do so maybe I was mistaken.

Edit:
found it: but this is for the RTI in the SIs
Modified and non class competitors must abide by their
applicable or Portsmouth Ratings including modification factors.

So would Smith have to take a modification hit?


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:03 pm
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Yes, Mark would have taken the larger than class legal main hit

ML

modifier since the jib appears to be the same size there is no hit for that.

DPN*ML = 59.3*.98=58.114

But if the main is the same sail area (within 5%) and just a different cut he should take the MN hit. DPN*MN = 59.3*.995 = 59.0035 it's more likely this is the modifier used. If you're a numbers player it's a small hit for an updated sailplan.

Isn't DPN fun.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:29 pm
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Read the modification - if he's within 5% of the class legal sail area, then there's no hit.

Mark said he'd never use those sails in a class event, of course.

I'm a friend of Mark's. He was my first long-term skipper in catamarans and he's made incalcuable contributions to catamaran sailing in the Panhandle. I think, however, that gaming the numbers is poor sportsmanship. In Mark's defense, I'll say that he's only following others' examples.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:29 pm
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Nope, that aint quite right boss

MN - For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment)


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:32 pm
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I know Mark also... good guy.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:38 pm
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There's no official modification factor for non-class legal Jib of the same area or less, but it's an obvious improvement over class legal the RC should invent one.

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Any other deviations from standard class configurations, including the addition of wings, can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995. Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995. Please identify any such modifications and penalties assigned and include with results reported to the handicap committee and Portsmouth Numbers Committee.

 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:40 pm
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sigh...


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 4:45 pm
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Nope, that aint quite right boss

MN - For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment)

You're right, of course, Dave. It is a 0.995 hit. The hit for sail area greater than 5% is 0.980.

For ease of reference, a N20 rates 59.3. Mark's rating, if he's not taking any mods on the jib, is 59.0. Unless his sail is really more that 5% bigger, which would rate him 58.1, almost the same as the M20.

Quick Sailwave run; Mark owes a stock 20 about 31 seconds an hour, while the

large

main owes the stock 20 just over two minutes an hour.


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 6:21 pm
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Forget all that crap....but where is the life jacket on the female crew out on trapeze? <img src=

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Dont try and tell me the trap harness has enough boyancy.?


 
Posted : July 7, 2008 6:22 pm
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Were the changes worth it? My guess is probably not. either way 30 seconds or 2 minutes is a lot of distance.


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 6:53 am
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I know Mark also... good guy.

In no way was I trying to imply that Mark was a cheater! It just surprised me - Mark is a great sailor and I thought he was pretty hard core one design racer.


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 7:29 am
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Is that one of those NEW blue life jackets? <img src=

alt=

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Clayton


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 8:07 am
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Is that one of those NEW blue life jackets? <img src=

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Clayton

You mean the kind with all the flotation in the front in two big patches?


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 10:12 am
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I know crew are very important and all . . .Skippy doesn't have one on either. Are they even on the boat?


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 10:22 am
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Is that one of those NEW blue life jackets? <img src=

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Clayton

You mean the kind with all the flotation in the front in two big patches?

Part of the new

man-ary gland

product line, no doubt...


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 10:26 am
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ps - Mark got mentioned in this month's Sailing World for taking line honors over 241 entries at this year's Dauphin Island race.


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 12:37 pm
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Is that one of those NEW blue life jackets? <img src=

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Clayton

You mean the kind with all the flotation in the front in two big patches?

They look like the offshore type, guarranteed to keep your face out of the water...

OK, I'll stop now.

Clayton


 
Posted : July 8, 2008 1:12 pm
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