A friend and fellow Worrell 1000 competitor asked me to gauge the interest in a race from Miami to Virginia. Seems there may be someone willing to put the race on (probably in 2013). It would be NON-STOP with 3 man teams. Boats would have to carry functioning trackers, and all logistics( where to swap out crew,etc.) are up to the teams, including any permits wherever you decided to land. First team to pick the check up off the bar at the finish ,gets it. The details aren't sorted out ,but probably any One design cats would qualify.
Would you do it?
And I mean really do it ,not just type about it.
yes, except for the OD part.
Box rule, anything goes...
-Mike
I'd be willing to crew.
Box rule, anything goes...
-Mike
Not that I have any say in it, but that seems like a way to kill it before it starts. You'd end up with a couple of F-20c and maybe a Marstrom, and an RC. Who would build for one race?
You're one design Mike, what would you be worried about.
I am not a worrell guy, or a tybee guy...
but this ain't gonna happen
You're on! I'll make a small wager it does happen.
If it's in 2013 (after worlds), there is plenty of notice and it's NOT BOX RULE... F18s or Carbon 20s only i think. We are 110% in... myself and several NE teams are dying to do the Worrell.
And PTP, keep your opinions to yourself, there are plenty of people that want to see this happen, we don't need detractors. Thanks.
Anyone have pix and history of the Worrell? How many years it ran? How many H16s completed?
Box rule, anything goes...
+1
Round the clock sailing? Bring on the racks, man.
Todd? F18 and F20 only? WT F?
Box rule, anything goes...
+1
Round the clock sailing? Bring on the racks, man.
Todd? F18 and F20 only? WT F?
And N-20, Tornado, F-16,etc...one design. I would assume.
I'm just a sounding board for this and really know no more than I've posted. They may want to do a box rule, (he said one design) , don't know , but to me that would just create a hellacious arms race and reduce overall participation, just MY opinion.
It sounds as if they may be shooting for absolute minimum hassle from an organizing stand point ergo the Teams are responsible for everything deal, safety, lodging, bail,etc..
And PTP thanks for the vote of confidence ,if the interest and participation aren't there, then you are right it probably won't happen.If there is interest ,hopefully it will.
From what I can tell, the Worrell never had more than 20 participants. It seems to me that you don't need to gauge interest from the sailors, if you put it on, they will come. However, without sponsors the whole thing dies.
My money is on the F32SRX
I'd be willing to crew with enough advance notice.
I don't care about the details particularly but it's a great idea. I'll buy a shirt, decal, cap or any other advertising stuff.
I think Mike wants to pull a Randy.
Yeah, but even this is a little different than the Worrell. The Worrell was very structured with stops, layovers, starts (including evening starts for night legs), etc. It was setup this way so media could follow it.
Sponsorship is a whole 'nother animal too. Let's face it, the Worrell, Tybee, etc., never really got THAT much out of sponsorship (and this race appears to be reducing the management costs so that it shouldn't be an issue). People drove these races to happen and found ways to barely make ends meet. Team sponsorships have never amounted to an incredible amount either - most teams pay 80 to 90% of their own expenses out of pocket anyway even with the appearance of a big sponsor.
This race sounds like a different animal and would be hard to compare against the Worrell...it's closer to the structure of the WaterTribe events (Everglades challenge) but without specific checkpoints while providing the ability to switch crew. You have the option to sail it how you want to sail it - take your time, create your own check points, or full out sail through every night and try to get there first.
My own personal delima is about how our team would approach the race and this plays into whether or not I would want to do it. Within our class, there's probably not much chance I can keep pace with the leaders in endurance and my time to prepare/train is at an all-time low for the time being. Outside of our class, there's little chance an F18 could win it. With winning out of the picture, I have to ignore the fact that there is prize money and find our own approach, and motivation, to do the race. Do we take it low and slow, take our time, and get there over the course of two weeks for the sake of sailing the distance (bucket list), or do we see how hard we can push ourselves and see who we can beat along the way? The possibility for a lot of night sailing factors in there too.
I guess one of my concerns is that it's possible I don't see another boat, or team, along the entire distance.
Perhaps it's possible to break the distance with one or two checkpoints that require boats that arrive between midnight to midnight to restart together the next morning at 10am the next morning with starts for several days...or, perhaps, takeaway some structure from the Archipeligo Raid...
Team Seacats is a prospect for the race and are interested to see how it would be structured.
Too me, part of the challenge is selecting/building the right boat for the event. I'd love to modify the F20c with racks, monster spin, code zero, etc...
Do we take it low and slow, take our time, and get there over the course of two weeks for the sake of sailing the distance (bucket list), or do we see how hard we can push ourselves and see who we can beat along the way? The possibility for a lot of night sailing factors in there too.
I hadn't thought about that. Such an approach would be tailor made for the Tiki, any of them, or any other cruising cat.
I'd be willing to type about it. Give all kinds of opinions about it. Then not do it.
Yeah....I Don't see that happening. hasn't worked that way in the past, I wouldn't expect it to now.
As far as sponsors go, that would be up to the teams. These guys aren't trying to make a business model or spectacle out of it.
I knew I could count on you. <img src="<>/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh" height="15" width="15" /> I reckon you'll have a big team.
But that is severely limiting the participant pool. You are already limiting it to people who would be willing and to do it. By forcing the sailors to come up with the money themselves, you are also limited it by those who can either afford it, or drum up their own sponsorship. These are radically different skill sets IMHO. The kind of people that are willing and able to sail a beach-cat 1000 miles (possibly non-stop,) are not the same kind of people who are well moneyed, nor are they the kind of salesmen that they can get companies to cough up the necessary cash. Sure there are examples of people who can pull things together well enough for a one-off type event (crossing the Atlantic or whatever,) but an annual race is a whole different ballgame.
Either way, asking sailors if they are interested is pointless, you don't need a whole lot of sailors to participate. What you need to make this sort of thing successful are organizations.
Didn't Worrell start out as a bar bet?
I see the beginnings of the
1,000 Ruble Cup
race. I'd even be willing to post the prize of 1,000 Russian Rubles if I can find some...
Not having competed in Watertribe events, I like the concept: a few stops where you register your team, date, time (so you know where your competition is if they're out of sight), you complete at your own pace, and there are loose classes in which to compete in if you choose.
If you want to build to an unlimited class, that's cool.
If you want some OD action, get others in your class to sign up.
If you just want to
bucket-list
it, show up.
What I have no clue about (amongst my vast expanse of cluelessness) is how difficult the organizer's job would be (and how costly) to set up the lock boxes and other stuff behind the scenes?
But that is severely limiting the participant pool. You are already limiting it to people who would be willing and to do it. By forcing the sailors to come up with the money themselves, you are also limited it by those who can either afford it, or drum up their own sponsorship. These are radically different skill sets IMHO. The kind of people that are willing and able to sail a beach-cat 1000 miles (possibly non-stop,) are not the same kind of people who are well moneyed, nor are they the kind of salesmen that they can get companies to cough up the necessary cash. Sure there are examples of people who can pull things together well enough for a one-off type event (crossing the Atlantic or whatever,) but an annual race is a whole different ballgame.
Either way, asking sailors if they are interested is pointless, you don't need a whole lot of sailors to participate. What you need to make this sort of thing successful are organizations.
Really??? Are you looking for a handout?
I've done 4 Worrell 1000s and 4 Tybee 500s, and a ton of other distance races. I suck at getting sponsorship, and I'm a carpenter( not exactly rich). If I can make it happen ,anyone can. I never had a Race organizer pay for anything, haven't even heard of it. No race organization is going to fund you to race, be realistic.
And how'd that work out... not too good.
I would be interested in it more along the bucket list effect. No way in hell would I have a team that would even be close, but I would love to be able to gibe it my best shot and complete the distance.
Are any of the beachcats able to do it non-stop? Carry enough provisions and three guys to sail 1,000 miles?
By non-stop, it means that the boat is non-stop and just beaches in pre-determined places to swap one crew member and then carry on. the crew member is driven to the next stop and catches a few z's on the way.
Those guys went from Long Island to France a few years back on a beach cat (or similar). Thats 3,636 miles (via plane). For some reason i couldn't find directions on Mapquest how far the
drive
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