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(@stank)
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I agree totally, Mike, but was wondering what you do if you're already super-deep angle because of the wind strength... and have all that cloth up (spin, jib, and main)

If any puff hits, where do you go? I suspect on the 18s with all your weight on the back of the bus, you just keep squirting out ahead.

For a non- or semi-planing hull, do you run a greater risk of broach?


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 12:42 pm
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Four more scored today? Wow, in under 3.5 hours. How long are the races?

Sarah has a new throwout, a 7.

Easton is getting serious.

Riccardi got a bullet!

Tall Guy slipped a bit...

We need more stories!!!

Mike


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by brucat
We need more stories!!!

Mike

Easy solution. Buy my boat. Go to the event. Tell the stories.


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 2:19 pm
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Jay,

There's a certain point where it is game over. David and I did a Steeplechase 7-8 years ago where it was blowing 20+ and got hit by a squall with 35+ sustained while exiting Angel Creek. We pitchpoled with the kite up a couple of times, we took the spin down and pitchpoled a couple more times. We finally took the main down and were doing 15 knots under jib only. As the wind laid down, we would pull the main part of the way up and let it plaster against the shrouds. We maintained over 15 knots for that way until the wind got back down in the 20's. n Then we spun the boat up, re-set the main and spin, and finished the run to Anne's beach. There were several people and boats that got separated that day, and at least one CG rescue...


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff.Dusek
Originally Posted by brucat
We need more stories!!!

Mike

Easy solution. Buy my boat. Go to the event. Tell the stories.

Spot ****ing on Jeff! You are missed my friend please don't leave the fleet.


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 2:51 pm
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Not leaving the fleet, but Brooks moved to SF and I can't do the boat alone. Now that grad school is done I'm hoping to make it down for Steeplechase or Tradewinds... and Florida 300 is tempting!


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Jeff.Dusek
Originally Posted by brucat
We need more stories!!!

Mike

Easy solution. Buy my boat. Go to the event. Tell the stories.

Spot ****ing on Jeff!

Um, not quite...

We need the stories from folks who are there. I have a long history of providing this for events I attend, but no one can go to everything.

We all want more people to sail with us, there's nothing like good stories to keep the interest up. It's advertising that you simply can't buy.

I feel like we (across classes) have taken a step backwards over the past few years.

Mike


 
Posted : October 22, 2015 7:12 pm
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More video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al3k5obr5G8


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 7:43 am
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Originally Posted by brucat
I feel like we (across classes) have taken a step backwards over the past few years.

Mike

In what way? Not posting stories about events? We've hashed out all the reasons classes and the sport itself appear to be dwindling...


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 12:06 pm
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I've noted over quite a few videos (N17 and the Day3 F18 vid) of Sarah's starts and she is routinely behind. I hope her coaches have noticed. Not knocking the kids, they are sailing quite awesome, just making an observation where they need improvement as they head to the games.

Bob <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 12:27 pm
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Online coverage in general was much better a few years ago. It's not just stories.

Back on topic, congrats to all the sailors and winners this week!

Mike


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 1:43 pm
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Sarah and Mathew win the last race and seal the deal. They are the 2015 F18 North American Champions.


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by brucat
Online coverage in general was much better a few years ago. It's not just stories.

Back on topic, congrats to all the sailors and winners this week!

Mike

The Facebook coverage has been pretty much on par with the coverage we've had in the past. If you want professional coverage you have to pay for it and it's expensive and most hosts can't afford it when the budget is just entry fees and some sponsorship money. In the past there may have been more motivation to spring for high end coverage in the hopes of wooing more sponsors and when that didn't pan out the coverage evolved into what we have today.

Case in point, the A-Cat championship spent several thousand dollars on the A-cat coverage and they were able to afford it because they got a grant from the city. Most championships don't have that kind of assistance.


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
Sarah and Mathew win the last race and seal the deal. They are the 2015 F18 North American Champions.

Wow! Congratulations!


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 4:35 pm
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Facebook would be something. Not seeing an obvious link to that here or on the event website?

Mike


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 5:10 pm
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
Sarah and Mathew win the last race and seal the deal. They are the 2015 F18 North American Champions.

Congrats to Sarah and Matt! They are 'kids' but kicking butt in a fleet loaded with very talented adults! But, boy do I feel old now!

And Mike, I got a ride (twice) on a F20C over in Tel Aviv, with our own Opher (thanks Opher!) who took me out on his boat on two layovers there.

What a ride! I didn't realize the boat is 10' wide, which makes a huge difference going downwind in good wind and big swells. It's very stable. Opher was surfing down the bigger swells and we were having a great ride, upwind and down.

Will we see a of F20C's in the USA any time soon? I wonder why the boat hasn't caught on as quickly here, as it has over there, they have a fleet of 5 at their club in Caesarea. Perhaps the 10' width (hauling issues) and price are keeping them down in numbers?

Sorry for the thread creep, and Congratulations again to Sarah and Matt!


 
Posted : October 23, 2015 5:30 pm
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Originally Posted by brucat
Facebook would be something. Not seeing an obvious link to that here or on the event website?

Mike

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It's hard for me to get after volunteers Mike.


 
Posted : October 24, 2015 1:29 pm
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Thanks for the link. I didn't see much there after Day 1, but I'm not the world's greatest FB user.

I would certainly hope you wouldn't be harsh on your volunteers.

Mike


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 7:36 am
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I wonder if there would be any interest from the local vocational tech schools which have a media department... You think those kids would be out looking for projects..

Donate a drone or two and you'd probably have a full production team out there...


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by Timbo
And Mike, I got a ride (twice) on a F20C over in Tel Aviv, with our own Opher (thanks Opher!) who took me out on his boat on two layovers there.

I wonder why the boat hasn't caught on as quickly here, as it has over there, they have a fleet of 5 at their club in Caesarea.

You can make the same statement about the SC22 and ask the same question and I bet you the answers are pretty darn similar.

How come you don't have one Tim?


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
You can make the same statement about the SC22 and ask the same question and I bet you the answers are pretty darn similar.

Youth
Money
Time

Pick 2


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Timbo
And Mike, I got a ride (twice) on a F20C over in Tel Aviv, with our own Opher (thanks Opher!) who took me out on his boat on two layovers there.

I wonder why the boat hasn't caught on as quickly here, as it has over there, they have a fleet of 5 at their club in Caesarea.

You can make the same statement about the SC22 and ask the same question and I bet you the answers are pretty darn similar.

How come you don't have one Tim?

If Nacra would accept 10 horses, 7 dogs, and 4 kids in trade, I'd have one!


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 7:14 pm
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You have ten hay burners? I've always liked you, but you're an idiot Tim. <img src="<>/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 10:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
You have ten hay burners? I've always liked you, but you're an idiot Tim. <img src="<>/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh" height="15" width="15" />

You missed a comma.


 
Posted : October 26, 2015 10:34 pm
 Karl
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After idiot? Or after but?


 
Posted : October 27, 2015 5:34 am
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Originally Posted by Timbo
If Nacra would accept 10 horses, 7 dogs, and 4 kids in trade, I'd have one!

Ah the old I have too much money excuse.


 
Posted : October 27, 2015 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Timbo
If Nacra would accept 10 horses, 7 dogs, and 4 kids in trade, I'd have one!

Ah the old I have too much money excuse.

If I had too much money, I'd have too many boats too, right?

It's the old

My wife spends too much money on my 4 kids

excuse.

How many kids do you and Karl have, combined?

How many kids have you two put through college?

I suppose I could have pulled them out of college just so I could buy a brand new F20C, but I doubt if they'd crew for me...

Until you've walked a mile in another man's shoes, don't try to tell him you know better. You don't know schidt.


 
Posted : October 28, 2015 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by Timbo
If I had too much money, I'd have too many boats too, right?

It's the old

My wife spends too much money on my 4 kids

excuse.

How many kids do you and Karl have, combined?

How many kids have you two put through college?

I suppose I could have pulled them out of college just so I could buy a brand new F20C, but I doubt if they'd crew for me...

Until you've walked a mile in another man's shoes, don't try to tell him you know better. You don't know schidt.

Tim you chose your life just like I did and nobody forced you get married and have 4 kids. You clearly make more $$ than most on this forum and when you cry poor it kinda has an odor. Don't blame your wife and kids for you not being able to get a toy or going to regatta's if you really wanted it I'm confident you could sort it out. And when you ask questions like 'how come more people don't have an expensive toy that consumes a significant amount of off time and is kind of a hassle?' Ask yourself the same question and maybe, just maybe think to yourself that other people may have the same obligations you do. Well, except for the horses that's just stupid.


 
Posted : October 28, 2015 8:55 am
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Yeah, I get it Dave, but this sport seems to have a lot of 'Dual Income No Kids' (DINK's) at the upper levels of competition.

I thought the F20C would be more popular here in the States, perhaps it's the trailering hassle with the 10' beam, kind of like the Tornado issues.


 
Posted : October 28, 2015 9:41 am
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Not so fast... I have 2 kids, 2 grand kids, put my daughter through college, and had big property with horses through all of it. Just went to my first F18 nationals at 53, finished 14th. Life is what you make it, its about priorities and living within your means. We down sized after kids to go sailing and be healthy.

My pickup is paid for... most people spend more on their vehicle than I spend on sailing. Priorities I say. BTW... are you teaching those kids to sail?

PS. you know those guys who stay up all night to get you off the gate on time? Yeah hotshot, keep your bows down.


 
Posted : October 28, 2015 10:15 am
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