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What's going on?
No smack tack? No updates?

Speeds are all over the place!
Steve and Jay are going 36.7 knots wow! <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" /> I'm guessing that's wrong.
Dutch Rockerz not working or are they really back at the Islander?


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 10:02 am
 samc
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Guess there are now three threads: http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=282631#Post282631

Team MYC Youth appears to be floundering near the start.

Buoy 44 passing key sailing...buoy 44 is BHK-20'? What is that exactly? heard there was a Tornado with M20 mast, is that what is registered as the BHK-20?

Steve and Jay appear to have slowed to a more reasonable 17.8 kts. Wonder if they are kite up at the front? If it was really 13 kts and double wire jib reaching at the start, explains the N20 lead over the F18's, but arguably the best F18 team on the course doesn't have a tracker so...


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Guess there are now three threads: http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=282631#Post282631

Team MYC Youth appears to be floundering near the start.

Buoy 44 passing key sailing...buoy 44 is BHK-20'? What is that exactly? heard there was a Tornado with M20 mast, is that what is registered as the BHK-20?

Steve and Jay appear to have slowed to a more reasonable 17.8 kts. Wonder if they are kite up at the front? If it was really 13 kts and double wire jib reaching at the start, explains the N20 lead over the F18's, but arguably the best F18 team on the course doesn't have a tracker so...

I remember when you got really upset at me over a similar post I made a few years ago <img src="<>/smirk.gif" alt="smirk" title="smirk" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 11:51 am
 samc
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Anyone have finish times? Interviews with the sailors who know better than us armchair sailors what the conditions actually were?


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by samc99us
Guess there are now three threads: http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=282631#Post282631

Team MYC Youth appears to be floundering near the start.

Buoy 44 passing key sailing...buoy 44 is BHK-20'? What is that exactly? heard there was a Tornado with M20 mast, is that what is registered as the BHK-20?

Steve and Jay appear to have slowed to a more reasonable 17.8 kts. Wonder if they are kite up at the front? If it was really 13 kts and double wire jib reaching at the start, explains the N20 lead over the F18's, but arguably the best F18 team on the course doesn't have a tracker so...

I remember when you got really upset at me over a similar post I made a few years ago <img src="<>/smirk.gif" alt="smirk" title="smirk" height="15" width="15" />

I believe both you and I were in hot water for that one 😛


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 3:13 pm
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BHK-20 Is a Tornado with a M20 stick. Kirk got a great start Jay and Brian where a bit late and had to make up some ground. Talked to Tom and he said low 20's was pretty much average for them today and where semi foiling most of the day. Brian and Will did really well and are number 1 corrected followed by Steve and Jay.

The drone video looks pretty awesome hopefully that will be posted soon.

Dick hosed his phone and ended up turning it off without knowing so that's why we quit tracking. He got a strong talking to.

No trash talk today, too tired, this crewing thing is bullsh!t! 🙂


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
No trash talk today, too tired, this crewing thing is bullsh!t! 🙂

Agree!!!


 
Posted : May 17, 2016 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
No trash talk today, too tired, this crewing thing is bullsh!t! 🙂

Oh how the mighty have fallen.


 
Posted : May 18, 2016 12:53 pm
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No one has finished, but it looks like 3 boats on the beach. From looking at the weather radar for the area, they're some ugly storms rolling across the course. I hope they're waiting on a better weather window, and not forced to the beach for repair...


 
Posted : May 18, 2016 3:14 pm
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OK, I'm confused. Why do we have a thread on tracking for this awesome event without, I don't know, MAYBE A LINK TO THE ACTUAL TRACKER?????

http://kws.kattack.com/GEPlayer/GMPlayer.aspx?FeedID=1546

Call me crazy...

Mike


 
Posted : May 18, 2016 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by David Ingram
No trash talk today, too tired, this crewing thing is bullsh!t! 🙂

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

We all get old Toddy, but I ask you this, who is in the basement with their dick in their hand and who is on the front of an F18 at the FL300? We had a delightful sail today thank you for asking.


 
Posted : May 18, 2016 10:11 pm
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As always, Want to compare mileage? How about who ever has the most gets one free drink from the other for every extra mile they have?
I was already tired of the pre race grind and organization before you did your first race.
And speaking of being in my basement (which is where I'd rather be instead of the FRONT of an F18), you need to post some more pics of you in your flowery spandex.I'm running out of viewing material.
p.s. Since you're so tired maybe you should have regaled us with a cool story instead of a

get off my lawn

post.


 
Posted : May 19, 2016 9:32 am
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Get off my lawn crak-uh

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Posted : May 19, 2016 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
As always, Want to compare mileage? How about who ever has the most gets one free drink from the other for every extra mile they have?
I was already tired of the pre race grind and organization before you did your first race.
And speaking of being in my basement (which is where I'd rather be instead of the FRONT of an F18), you need to post some more pics of you in your flowery spandex.I'm running out of viewing material.
p.s. Since you're so tired maybe you should have regaled us with a cool story instead of a

get off my lawn

post.

To channel the Donald, you started it dickhead 🙂


 
Posted : May 19, 2016 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
As always, Want to compare mileage? How about who ever has the most gets one free drink from the other for every extra mile they have?
I was already tired of the pre race grind and organization before you did your first race.
And speaking of being in my basement (which is where I'd rather be instead of the FRONT of an F18), you need to post some more pics of you in your flowery spandex.I'm running out of viewing material.
p.s. Since you're so tired maybe you should have regaled us with a cool story instead of a

get off my lawn

post.

To channel the Donald, you started it dickhead 🙂

Donald would have had a cuter nickname.


 
Posted : May 19, 2016 7:30 pm
Todd A. Hart
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
As always, Want to compare mileage? How about who ever has the most gets one free drink from the other for every extra mile they have?
I was already tired of the pre race grind and organization before you did your first race.
And speaking of being in my basement (which is where I'd rather be instead of the FRONT of an F18), you need to post some more pics of you in your flowery spandex.I'm running out of viewing material.
p.s. Since you're so tired maybe you should have regaled us with a cool story instead of a

get off my lawn

post.

To channel the Donald, you started it dickhead 🙂

You got me on the last rum bet, how 'bout it?
p.s. Where are the Flowery Spandex pics buttercup?


 
Posted : May 19, 2016 8:56 pm
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Thanks Todd for bringing some lively smack talk to this thread!

Jake, Tad, that was 2 years ago. Let it go. I will say I agree with you on the general lack of information available regarding the race, and lack of sailors reports. What I won't agree with is you bashing sailors reports with internet data from the wrong part of the course while sitting in your cozy office chairs sipping latte's and whatever other fruity drinks ya'll are drinking these days.

I talked to one of my buddies competing on a N20 this year (team My Dixie Wrecked), they had blast reaching conditions at the front of the fleet yesterday and were averaging 18-19kts down course. It was a fast day. The day before, they elected to beach and ride out the thunderstorms for 3 hours, then were becalmed for the rest of the day and didn't make it to the beach until 11pm. In retrospect, probably a wise choice given the carnage.

The F18 Infusion Mk. 2, Dutch Team (owner of big global Nacra onboard), apparently broke their rig when when a wave hit them while on the beach. Didn't get the full story there, but my buddy had his N20 flip while on the beach and they are lucky not to have broken the rig or do any damage to the sails. Team Tavernier is out as they don't have a spare F20C rig and I suspect couldn't source one or weren't going to pay what Kirk is asking for one. At least it appears they saved the parts, and carbon can be spliced together to good effect for at least a backup rig for next years race!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCB8kiOrwmOnzMNUKQfVDAw


 
Posted : May 20, 2016 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Thanks Todd for bringing some lively smack talk to this thread!

Jake, Tad, that was 2 years ago. Let it go. I will say I agree with you on the general lack of information available regarding the race, and lack of sailors reports. What I won't agree with is you bashing sailors reports with internet data from the wrong part of the course while sitting in your cozy office chairs sipping latte's and whatever other fruity drinks ya'll are drinking these days.

Lol, let it go? let me find you a mirror!


 
Posted : May 20, 2016 8:37 am
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Posted : May 20, 2016 2:07 pm
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HI Pictues of todays finish line
http://www.surfguru.com/florida-surf-reports/cocoa-beach-pier

and set camera to Beach North


 
Posted : May 20, 2016 2:34 pm
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Yeah, the

media coverage

isn't close to what was promised. We've yet to be interviewed and have seen almost no pics of the first finishers each day (no pics of us or Kirk) finishing. If we're going to rip the gaskets off the bottom of my boat hitting the beach at Mach 5 with the kite up, at least get me a cool picture or video! 😉


 
Posted : May 20, 2016 3:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Will_R
Yeah, the

media coverage

isn't close to what was promised. We've yet to be interviewed and have seen almost no pics of the first finishers each day (no pics of us or Kirk) finishing. If we're going to rip the gaskets off the bottom of my boat hitting the beach at Mach 5 with the kite up, at least get me a cool picture or video! 😉

How many times did you have to replace the gaskets, and were they the

new

style?

The coverage was nil. Lisa Herendeen posted stuff on FB and that and the tracker (which I gave up on today,of course) was the only way I could follow anything. Still don't know the placing. Sad , considering this was supposed to be THE year for the Fl.300. I've got an idea,

Let's keep our race a secret.

Congrats to you and Brian wherever you ended up.


 
Posted : May 21, 2016 10:25 pm
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Ended up racing my boat (long story), but it has half gaskets. Didn't replace any during the race, but we'll see what the look like when I get it home.

Tracking today was an issue, don't know why.... I do know that there was almost no cell coverage for a lot of the race.

I inquired about the race coverage and was told to send people to Damon.


 
Posted : May 21, 2016 11:27 pm
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I'm not going to make excuses for anyone or hopefully criticize volunteers, but I'm just going to speak from experience - having been a competitor, a ground crew member, a

team leader

(whatever that meant) and a pseudo-media guy -

Media is tough for this race. It always has been. The nature of the beast is that your media subjects are basically unobservable for 99% of the time unless you have a high powered drone or helicopter. It's not easy.

Add on to that fact that if you're part of a team or the race committee and you're doing double duty, media falls by the wayside easily. I can tell you that after getting in from competing, the last thing I wanted to do was boot up the tablet or laptop and pen a story. When I was a ground crew member, after spending 2 hours under a boat in the sand gluing new gaskets into a dagger trunk, the last thing I wanted to do was boot up the laptop or tablet and tell everyone what was going on out there.

The only time I felt that I did an adequate job was when I live streamed the race from my cell phone back in the day when live streaming was just catching fire. These days its almost stupid not to do a periscope or youtube live stream with any number of connected devices. The Florida coast has SOME LTE deadzones but back in 2008 when I did my coverage from my OG Droid, I was getting solid signal at most Tybee checkpoints.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that to do media properly for this race, you need a dedicated resource whose JOB it is to do media. BK and JW did a great job in 2006, and I still go back and watch those videos with sentimental nostalgia. Hell, I have the DVD downstairs (I just tossed it into a moving box) However, with the tools available these days on social media, covering these races should be a lot easier than in years past. One guy with an iPhone and a few external battery packs (and a good data plan) could stream the whole race from start to finish.


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that to do media properly for this race, you need a dedicated resource whose JOB it is to do media.

They had that (x2) and this was supposed to be THE year.The fact that you never even realized that is telling of the coverage failure. Just regular updates w/ positions and unofficial finish positions on the FB page would have been fine. Just SOMETHING.
I think they focused on a post race sponsor seeking promo video, but that misses the point and is a waste of resources. The audience (us)for these type races care about it while it's happening.


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Just regular updates w/ positions and unofficial finish positions on the FB page would have been fine. Just SOMETHING.

Daily reports, photos and videos were posted on thebeachcats.com and the fl300 facebook page


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin
BK and JW did a great job in 2006

Yes, that year was certainly

palpable


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that to do media properly for this race, you need a dedicated resource whose JOB it is to do media.

They had that (x2) and this was supposed to be THE year.The fact that you never even realized that is telling of the coverage failure. Just regular updates w/ positions and unofficial finish positions on the FB page would have been fine. Just SOMETHING.
I think they focused on a post race sponsor seeking promo video, but that misses the point and is a waste of resources. The audience (us)for these type races care about it while it's happening.

I wouldn't take that as an indication of the media team's job. I'm not on fakebook so anything posted there is non-existent to me.


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 12:32 pm
Todd A. Hart
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Originally Posted by MN3
Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Just regular updates w/ positions and unofficial finish positions on the FB page would have been fine. Just SOMETHING.

Daily reports, photos and videos were posted on thebeachcats.com and the fl300 facebook page

Real time: No stories ,No updates as boats finished, No interviews, Nothing of substance except reporting thunderstorms one day. I've followed plenty of these and sailed in more, and this is the worst I've seen. Sponsors will look to that kind of thing to see if there is any R.O.I. This does not bode well.


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 2:18 pm
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Tad summed it up pretty well. You guys are asking for professional PR coverage for the cost of hotel room and maybe a meal or two which is simply unrealistic. Even back in the day during the peak the coverage was only so so, in my opinion.

The race was well run and the organizers priority was the sailors and in my opinion that is exactly where it's supposed to be. At the end of the day it's those that sail the event that promote the event and get sailors to the beach. Those sitting at their computers constantly complaining about being under served are being counter productive. Yes proper coverage would be nice but its not even remotely a reason why I do this race and I think that goes for most if not all the teams. We are self funded so PR coverage isn't a priority for us and this thread didn't inspire much effort on my part to provide any kind of updates. Yes Todd I'm looking squarely at you!


 
Posted : May 23, 2016 2:21 pm
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