For someone staying out of it, you certainly are trying to stir the pot.
That's a completely different pot. I'm giving Ding about another hour.
sailing
... this was not a Hobie-only event as you recall
As much as I hate keeping this going, I have to point out that the open letter to HCA (Division 6, I believe) stated that since attendance was on the RISE, they wanted to continue with
business as usual
and keep allowing the
other
brands of cats join the events. I still don't think the taste of sour grapes would have lasted as long as it did if it weren't for some of the hard core H16 racers being as
prejudice
(for lack of a better term) towards the other brands. Just my 2 cents. I, however, am looking forward to the Nationals event that will be in Galveston next October and have volunteered my services and chase boat(s). In the end, boats on the beach is never a bad thing....even if it's only one brand.
Back to the original point; There was no decline in this area. TCDYC has been promoting a
First Saturday of the Month
in the sailing season here and there have been no less that 20 boats showing up each time. I don't think HCA would have had the rise in attendance like this in this area....maybe that's why they quietly organized the event in October.
Bingo.
First Saturday of the Month
in the sailing season here and there have been no less that 20 boats showing up each time.
That is the important point... ON THE WATER... Racing continued .... just under new managment... So... let the hobie edict go.... The three Hobie classes made their deal and took the factory offer!!! The immediate impact was zero. (setting aside the pissed off factor)
The issue is the future... in 2013... we have national F18, A class and Hobie 16 racing classes that are the most active with small surviving classes of dead boats of N20's, TheMightyHobie18's and H17s and who knows about the F16s and N17s... What policies will keep a viable racing scene going and what classes does each policy appeal to?...
How much cooperation is needed between these classes... Can they work together to make for a well attended multiclass cat regatta. Can they work together to build a handicap class for distance races.... How about handicap buoy races to get critical mass?
What structure gives you the best chance to grow participation...
Club racing... with little or no travel?
Regional racing cirucit?? (like the Hobie travel cirucit)
How about a couple of long national championship events that you binge on in a year with little or no club or regional racing on your calender?
LET THE CRAP GO>>>>
in 2013, It's always about critical mass of boats turning out... You cover your costs at reasonable entry fees and the parties and racing has a chance to be good.
What USEFULL advice would you give a group of sailors in SW Florida about revitalizing the sport?
I propose they partner with a Yacht club in the region and make that work for the YC and the cat sailors.
Other suggestions?
Hopefully, he already knows this: the US Sailing One Design Class Council and the Hobie Class Association are two of the best resources for ideas. Matt Bounds would be a good cat sailing contact.
Mike
It's a slow day.... this seems to get the post count up..
The best place I found to launch and sail my Hobie 16 is off the Sanibel Causeway. Other than the $9 toll to get over the bridge, it is actually a very decent option for sailing in the Ft.Myers area, and offers good beach launching options. I typically launch from either side of the causeway island closer to sanibel. If the winds are out of the North or west, then I launch from the north side of the island and sail in the area between the causeway, Picnic island and St. James City. Nice flat water most of the time. Kind of like the bay side in the keys.
I concur, and Pete and I have launched off that causeway once or twice. Lots of space and easy access to that inlet area.
$9 is only slightly higher than the fee they charge to use the boat ramps down in Naples/Marco. You CAN launch on the beach here in a few spots, but you CANNOT park your trailer near the beach, so you're pretty much shot for a day-sail unless you've got ground crew.
As my
Man-O-Pause
strategy is getting me closer to boat-ownership (I suggested to Heir Sweetness that it's either a boat or a sports car and a 20-something babe - to which she responded she now has a pistol and I should consider sleeping outside, but whatever) I figure that Sanibel causeway may be the easiest launch spot within a 45 minute drive.
Now to figure out how to get a trailer hitch for the civic (looks like it's got a capacity of 1000 lbs, or if I can get trailer brakes and a transmission cooler, 1500 lbs) I won't have to buy another car, making the boat that much closer to reality
No overnight parking at Sanibel Causeway. Very nice for a daysail.
The ramp adjacent to the causeway permits trailers overnight for a price but I don't know about launching and retrieval. It is an awfully busy ramp and holding up a whole line of fishermen is not something I'd care to do.
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The causeway beach in question is the spoil island at the top of the picture near the foot of the bridge. I think of it as home.
The panoramic view is very nice. FWIW, as a New Year's resolution I've promised to launch from that beach every time I hear about a blizzard somewhere in snow country. I'll post pictures. Cheers!
What USEFULL advice would you give a group of sailors in SW Florida about revitalizing the sport?
CAVEAT - this would be a non-partisan (not brand specific) club, but I guess it would work with a particular brand, too. None of this is new or rocket-science. The execution is the real challenge
My Advice:
(1) Get the F* out and sail, even if you've got the crappiest boat out there. You don't have to win all the time (and if you feel that need, you're going to have to dole out some serious $$$)
(2) Invite anyone who will agree with #1
(3) Support anyone who does #1 (offer to crew, RC, score, cook, haul, board travelers, etc)
(4) Support your local sailing establishments (YC, but those are HUGELY expensive here - like a $5,000 admission fee + annual $ + monthly minimum + a member must nominate you +...), EVEN if the internet is cheaper (except Catsailor.com, of course <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" /> )
(5) Get youth and families involved with fun events (watermelon grab, skill builder days, etc)
(6) Get off your wallet and join the club. There is no such thing as a cheap hobby anymore (except maybe nose-picking?)
(7) Maybe bring some out-of-town talent once in a while for a seminar or test/tune event. I'd love to see the likes of JC, Robbie, Jamie, or even Rick holding a 2-3 day seminar over here. Crap, even Mr. Bonifait is getting fast enough to teach us a few things...
(8) use the heck out of social media to keep everyone motivated.
(9) offer things for the non-racers -
geo-cache/scavenger hunt
type event. Expedition events,
(10) as a club, offer to assist other sailing groups at their events (like help at an Opti event). Maybe take some of them sailing sometime.
If the Hobie dealer wants to promote his product, maybe host a
demo day
during a scheduled group sail? Bring a Wave, Wildcat, some kayaks and paddleboards, etc.
Regardless of what we sail, we all need apparel and accessories (glasses, sunscreen, hats), so maybe showcase some of that...? I know if I get a boat I'll likely need epoxy/glass - just sayin'...
I was a member of our local paper sail club, even though there were ZERO beachcats, just to support the local effort. Beign boatless, all I did was show up for an occasional meeting.
I'll probably re-up if I remember, but if there were a local beachcat fleet, I'd support them first.
How far is Port Charlotte from Sanibel?
Those are some excellent ideas, Jay!
Here are some things that Hobie Fleet 448 does. This fleet is from RI, and has a large percentage of non-racers (who will never be converted, but always show up and add to the critical mass).
Staff a booth with the dealer at the winter boat shows. Promote all the sailing activities and collect names and contact info.
Have the first event be a
tune-up
day, as early in the season as possible. Partner with your dealer to have a parts truck on site at the beach, or have the event at the dealership. The goal is to get the boats set up (often for the first time of the season) and correct any equipment issues. Sailing on this day is a bonus, not a requirement.
Fun races, short distance races, scavenger hunts, poker runs, island hops, relay races, water balloon fights, and clinics round out the rest.
Partner with a local adult educational program, and host a learn-to-sail day. Most large cities have such organizations, where you can do things like ski, kayak, basket-weave, etc.
Feed people. The fleet has an equipment trailer, at least half of the stuff in there is focused on feeding people (grill, tent, tables, coolers, paper goods, etc.). Post-sailing alcohol is a bonus if your sailing location allows that.
Communicate. Email at a minimum, a short paper newsletter is best (can be passed out on the beach, schedule can be posted on your fridge at home, etc.). Your dealer, West Marine and other places should be willing to post flyers for you, especially if you give them ad space in your newsletter.
Hobie Fleet 204 (Syracuse, NY) has a larger percentage of racers, and their activities tend to reflect that, but they are hugely successful at recruiting newbies. They do many of the things above, as well as:
Newbie Tuesday: Take out new sailors each week on existing members boats, or their own if that applies.
Fleet racing every Thursday, usually swapping crews to cross-train. Newbies are encouraged to attend.
Hope this helps.
Mike
Mike, you pretty much described fleet 444 to a T.
www.fleet444.com
A local prindle guy said
Girls on Trampolines
, but I don't know how politically correct that would be to alienate 50% of the potential market...
Girls like girls too.
Sorry for making this post and then disappearing, I thought I had notifications turned on and never got an email.
A friend and crewmate just stopped by and told me about the uproar I caused on this thread. SORRY. <img src="<>/blush.gif" alt="blush" title="blush" height="15" width="15" />
We are interested in seeing All cats and tris on the water here in Charlotte Harbor whether we make money or not. Obviously we AND the sailing public will benefit, especially if we can get all those dead cats out of peoples yards and on the water again.
Here is a great park for launching boats, either by beach or boat landing. this is the same location where the Charlotte Harbor Regatta will be located.
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Ummm .... I think you meant Mrs. Bonifait ...
Good stuff, Karl. None of this is rocket science, we just need to learn from one another. New ideas are always great, but the tried-and-true stuff is also important.
Mike
As the only one that posts here and lives here in Charlotte County, its my turn. A little history first.
I learned to sail from the Charloote County Red Cross back in 1973. The instructor looking at my hair hanging down to my shoulders said,
You should be sailing one of those Hobie Cats
. I rented a 14 for an afternoon and I was hooked. In 1976 at age 22, I knew it was better up north and moved back to Northern Indiana. I soon saved enough for the down payment and had enough savings for a share loan from the credit union and was the proud owner of a new 1977 16'Hobie Cat. We sailed small lakes in the area the first year and then found Lake Street Beach in Gary and Hobie Fleet 126 in Michigan City. I was single and working with enough time to hit our club races, Division 10 and several Midwinters East inFlorida.
After getting laid off again in 1985, I moved back to Punta Gorda, expecting a simiar sailing scene.
WRONG!
There was seldom another beach cat on Chalotte Harbor. I sailed a few races with a fleet in Fort Myers. I probably met Pete. Then I got promoted at Radio Shack working 6-10's (according to the district manager my sole purpose in life was to increase sales and profits for the Tandy Corporation). The 1984 white sailed Hobie 16 got parked. I left the Shack and worked 9-5 M-F, but adopted a pair of sisters aged 1 & 2. The Hobie stayed parked for another 10 years until I felt the girls were big enough to safely sail on it. We still seldom saw another beach cat on Charlotte Harbor.
The oldest daughter and I raced a few times, JPOR and Dunedan, but she discovered boys and Dad wasn't as much fun.
Now the Hobie gets sailed for fun a few times a year and I crew on a Stiletto in the local club races.
Many times I have followed people towing cats to stop and talk, I'd give them one of my business cards and write Hobie on it for them and then never hear back. I followed on fellow with
Hobie
on his license plate. He didn't know Sailing from Shinola, that was his name.
I just came back from talking to Stuff4Toys. He just was added to the crew on the Stiletto. He is also the new Race Captain for the Punta Gorda Sailing Club.
After the Charlotte Harbor Regatta and the Conquistador Cup we are going to plan a get together at Port Charlotte Beach. He is now renting Waves there. The local paper will give us some publicity. We may or may not draw a crowd.
BUT (and everyone has a but) Charlotte Harbor Regatta will open a fleet for any boat that can come up with 4-6 boats or more.
Zombies aren't really sharp, so....
I figured the regatta would stir up local interest in cat sailing, that's why I figured it would be a good kick off for a beach cat fleet.
I may be wrong but the Charlotte Harbor Regatta is a 1 design love fest. I doubt that either a Portsmouth or PHRF class was ever contemplated.
A friend and crewmate just stopped by and told me about the uproar I caused on this thread. SORRY. <img src="<>/blush.gif" alt="blush" title="blush" height="15" width="15" />
We are interested in seeing All cats and tris on the water here in Charlotte Harbor whether we make money or not. Obviously we AND the sailing public will benefit, especially if we can get all those dead cats out of peoples yards and on the water again.
As redundant as this conversation has been - at least this board got some activity lately! So a
thank you
is in order!
Yes you could call it a one design love fest.
We are also a WindRider dealer, when I approached CHR staff with the idea of a WindRider 17 fleet, they said GREAT get 6 boats and we will include you too.
Ummm .... I think you meant Mrs. Bonifait ...
No, I meant Mr. Bonifait <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
TABLE 5 RULES
maybe some reciprocals:
Get your group to consider a trip to Sanibel once or twice, and up to Sarasota... Maybe they'll feel the love and visit you occasionally..?
Those distances aren't too far, and who knows, it could blossom into some regional series?
I see a handful of H-16s parked on the beach in Naples, and what appears to be two or three rental groups (clusters of H-16s and waves in dubious condition), and I did see some sort of Kayak/trimaran launch off the beach but I couldn't catch it to find out who it was...
There are probably 1/2 dozen people I've met in town who have a boat sitting in their yard (prindles, H-16, one guy has a N6.0) but I don't know what it would take to get them on the water ... I'll have to go look them up again.
Get your group to consider a trip to Sanibel once or twice, and up to Sarasota... Maybe they'll feel the love and visit you occasionally..?
I did the Buzzelli in my WindRider 17 last fall, GREAT venue, GREAT bunch of guys and gals.
Get your group to consider a trip to Sanibel once or twice, and up to Sarasota... Maybe they'll feel the love and visit you occasionally..?
Those distances aren't too far, and who knows, it could blossom into some regional series?
I see a handful of H-16s parked on the beach in Naples, and what appears to be two or three rental groups (clusters of H-16s and waves in dubious condition), and I did see some sort of Kayak/trimaran launch off the beach but I couldn't catch it to find out who it was...
There are probably 1/2 dozen people I've met in town who have a boat sitting in their yard (prindles, H-16, one guy has a N6.0) but I don't know what it would take to get them on the water ... I'll have to go look them up again.
I have Gulf beach launch access at Englewood Beach from May to December. Invitation only.
No group yet. I'm still lonely here in Paradise.
Stop and knock on their door. Maybe you could buy the 6.0 for cheap.
My brother used to pull a Hobie 16 with a Fiat Strada. Your Honda will do better that that Fix It Again Tony mobile.
I've tried to convince our prior Race Captain that we need a Tour De Charlotte Harbor distance race. Just like the Mug Race, Run What Ya Brung. No luck yet.
I have a few feelers out for a singlehander.
Pete's got the GPS track for a 'round Sanibel course, although it does get a little skinny on the back side.
No reason a Charlotte Harbor circuit or Charlotte Harbor/Sanibel & back distance thing couldn't be worked out if there were any interest.
The Gulf Coast Sail Club and some of the big Yacht Clubs do have some regattas that they MIGHT let us in if we had a large enough contingent (and paid a hefty entry fee, I'm sure)
I guess the point is there is no shortage of things the fleet you propose COULD do, but it's really up to the creativity and effort of the fleet members.
How about hide a small keg of rum somewhere and leave clues along the route? Winner has to pour shots for all finishers. Loser has to take the trash back with them.
Pete's got the GPS track for a 'round Sanibel course, although it does get a little skinny on the back side.
No reason a Charlotte Harbor circuit or Charlotte Harbor/Sanibel & back distance thing couldn't be worked out if there were any interest.
The Gulf Coast Sail Club and some of the big Yacht Clubs do have some regattas that they MIGHT let us in if we had a large enough contingent (and paid a hefty entry fee, I'm sure)
I guess the point is there is no shortage of things the fleet you propose COULD do, but it's really up to the creativity and effort of the fleet members.
How about hide a small keg of rum somewhere and leave clues along the route? Winner has to pour shots for all finishers. Loser has to take the trash back with them.
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Any 18's out there? Count me as one, three more and they will give us a start!
I am late to this one......what did I miss?