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Originally Posted by Jake
It's a mystery with a lot of facets that create intrigue.

It seems to be a form of conspiracy theory which invariably leads to irrational beliefs. Just wondering what it is about the human psyche that causes this departure from the rational.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by pgp
Originally Posted by Jake
It's a mystery with a lot of facets that create intrigue.

It seems to be a form of conspiracy theory which invariably leads to irrational beliefs. Just wondering what it is about the human psyche that causes this departure from the rational.

Pete didn't you pay the bills by working in the field of the human psyche? You know the answer to your question now where exaclty are you trying to take us today?

Yes Jake I know, but I haven't been down a good rabbit hole in a while.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 10:33 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspira... o-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by pgp
Originally Posted by Jake
It's a mystery with a lot of facets that create intrigue.

It seems to be a form of conspiracy theory which invariably leads to irrational beliefs. Just wondering what it is about the human psyche that causes this departure from the rational.

Its called the internet.

Before all the crazy people would be isolated to have their crazy ideas to themselves.

As Joe Rogan said...

Now you can find other crazy people who believe the same crazy **** you do and you can ride that crap all the way to the apocalypse.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 11:31 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Celeste
http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/show/130102/the-true-story-of-the-mary-celeste

Mysteries abound, I'm just not understanding why so many otherwise rational people become engrossed in them.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by pgp
Originally Posted by Jake
It's a mystery with a lot of facets that create intrigue.

It seems to be a form of conspiracy theory which invariably leads to irrational beliefs. Just wondering what it is about the human psyche that causes this departure from the rational.

My opinion is that it all stems from human curiosity - an evolutionary trait that has led to our extended survival as a species, our technology, and our society. Compared to other species, we retain more of our child-like curiosity (and playfulness) as we mature. Tied to this curiosity, we also have a psychological need for closure...i.e.

an answer

to the question in front of us. Unknowns leave an emotional void in all of us. People have different levels of a need for closure of that void and some are willing to accept lesser degrees of verified

truths

in order to obtain that emotional satisfaction in that closure. This then becomes a belief that may be completely irrational but has satisfied the emotional need.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 11:44 am
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I'm thinkin' fear of the unknown. Most people need an orderly, structured world. Then some of us are anarchists..


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 11:46 am
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Jake, all this talk of

closure

just reminds me of an episode of Friends with one of the 1,000 times Ross and Rachel couldn't get their act together as a couple.

Random thought of the day...

Mike


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 12:18 pm
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What could be more structured than

planes crash now and then, sometimes they crash in places where they are really hard to relocate

.. I think it is the mystery that lets people fantasize and theorize attracting attention to this.

In the news, this missing plane totally overshadows that the cold war version 2 have started.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
What could be more structured than

planes crash now and then, sometimes they crash in places where they are really hard to relocate

.. I think it is the mystery that lets people fantasize and theorize attracting attention to this.

In the news, this missing plane totally overshadows that the cold war version 2 have started.

It hasn't overshadowed it, we just don't like talking about it.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 12:29 pm
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I am not talking about here, but in the news. Lots of coverage of the missing (probably crached) airplane, very little on the russian landgrab.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
What could be more structured than

planes crash now and then, sometimes they crash in places where they are really hard to relocate

.. I think it is the mystery that lets people fantasize and theorize attracting attention to this.

In the news, this missing plane totally overshadows that the cold war version 2 have started.

There aren't many answers to be had there...full of emotional voids.

I had to go back and research that whole Ukrainian situation yesterday because I got lost in the latest reports without some of the details...like that time I registered for Fortran II before I had Foretran I. After three weeks of class, I start wondering if I missed something. (In my defense, however, it wasn't so cleverly named with the

II

). I bought the 1 book and got caught up in two weeks - finished at the top of the class. The wide details weren't exactly my thing.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:11 pm
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that has a nice ring to it:

Cold War 2.0


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:13 pm
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The first one is over? Who won?


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:14 pm
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I believe they claimed it was over when USSR turned into Russia


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:14 pm
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Did they turn in their nukes?


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:15 pm
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no, they just sold them off to the Iranians and pretty much any other bidder.

I believe there are a few still there under rusty padlocks


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:17 pm
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If the Iranians had a nuke, they would have used it already. On us or Israel, but they definitely would have used it.

Mike


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:27 pm
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I hope my scenario is the more accurate.

http://www.ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 1:49 pm
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Ukraina handed their soviet nukes over to Russia under an agreement where Russia, Great Britain and France guarnteed their territorial integrity and security.. Whoops.

Nobody wins a war btw. It is just a matter of how much each side loses. Hence the term

Amateurs study strategy, professionals study logistics

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Posted : March 20, 2014 2:29 pm
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I'd agree with that. Whomever loses the least...wins?


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 2:33 pm
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When you piss away the economy and sons, daughters, dads and mums as expendables.. Even losing the least is bad enough in my book.

Sorry for the thread hijack. Hopefully the airplane with all passengers turn up at an old disused WW2 airfield outside HF radio coverage where they are busy playing

Cast Away

.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
When you piss away the economy and sons, daughters, dads and mums as expendables.. Even losing the least is bad enough in my book.

Sorry for the thread hijack. Hopefully the airplane with all passengers turn up at an old disused WW2 airfield outside HF radio coverage where they are busy playing

Cast Away

.

That'd be one hell of a story.


 
Posted : March 20, 2014 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
I'd agree with that. Whomever loses the least...wins?

We'll tie it all back in now, see, war is just like sailboat racing.

Sailboat races aren't won, they are lost.

Good moves don't win them, bad moves lose them!

And I think we were being 'shadowed' last night on the way home from Dubai!!


 
Posted : March 21, 2014 10:54 am
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Preparation and luck play key roles as well.

If everyone prepared perfectly, had no luck factors (wind shifts, traffic, breakdowns, aliens, etc.) and sailed perfectly, every race would end in a tie.

Think about that the next time you are tempted to file for redress after being called OCS...

Mike


 
Posted : March 21, 2014 12:02 pm
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Anyone watching CNN today?

more BREAKING NEWS!

Turns out they descended down to 12,000' when they turned back....

Gee...who woulda thunk it?

Every trained pilot.

I stand by my original scenario; rapid depressurization and/or smoke/fire, the pilots turned back and descended, but then were overcome by the smoke/fumes, the airplane continued to fly on autopilot until it ran out of gas and it went into the sea. I doubt they will find it any time soon.

God bless the Aussies for trying, but I doubt there's any floating debris left by now, and even if they do find some, by now it's so far away from the point of impact, they may never find the airframe or the black (orange) boxes.


 
Posted : March 23, 2014 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
That'd be one hell of a story.

LOST 2

<img src="<>/shocked.gif" alt="shocked" title="shocked" height="15" width="15" />
I'll just go n cut my throat now.......


 
Posted : March 23, 2014 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Timbo
they may never find the airframe or the black (orange) boxes.

yes, but at least a debris find would support your hypothesis that the pilots did everything they could to save the flight and were't terrorists or whack-jobs.

PS I still think someone's submarine

heard

the plane hit the water... but they won't divulge it either because

no one asked

(like Taiwan) or they don't want to divulge how good their stuff is


 
Posted : March 24, 2014 8:22 am
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Bringing us back to sailing for a brief moment... CNN, since at least Thursday, has been running footage from the last VOR to show what the conditions can be like down there. Apparently, no one else is insane enough to be on that water, let alone shooting video...

What I haven't heard mentioned, is this an area north of the iceberg and growler range? Presumably, being the end of their summer, this wouldn't be an issue; but it would be something else to discuss, other than the complete BS about shadowing.

Speaking of which, did anyone catch the panel of three guys discussing the shadow theory? They were discussing the theory that the jet diverted to shadow a different plane out of Singapore, to head out to an unknown destination in mid-Asia.

One was an ex-fighter pilot (British-sounding accent), one was a 777 (or similar) pilot, the third was some sort of analyst. The fighter pilot was visibly outraged, and stated as much, that anyone was wasting their time on this idea. The 777 pilot pointed out how nearly completely impossible this would be to pull off. The analyst pointed to some reference that Israel used two large jets to pull off a military event, flying over Egypt and another country undetected, so he was sticking by his guns that the shadow theory is real. I thought the fighter pilot was going to punch him out...

Mike


 
Posted : March 24, 2014 8:30 am
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That's why they are

Analyst

and not pilots! They work in rooms without windows, and they live in fantasy land, whereas the pilots have had to go out into the dark of night, and deal with the reality of trying to pull off something like that; unrehearsed, un briefed, and timed exactly, to an unknown other airplane, (the Singapore flight) and 'hope' it's going in the right direction.

The Prime Minister of Malaysia is now saying Flight 370 ended in the Indian Ocean.

I don't know what debris they have found to confirm that...maybe he's just trying to send the families home?


 
Posted : March 24, 2014 9:25 am
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