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First Nacra 17 Worlds starts tomorrow in the Hague, Netherlands. The United States has five teams over there:

Mike Easton and McKenzie Wilson
Sandra Tartaglino and Tripp Burd
Sarah Newberry and John Casey
Robbie Daniel and Sarah Streater
Taylor Reiss and Catherine Shanahan

There will be live tracking all week here: http://www.tractrac.com/index.php?page=eventpage&id=314

Event Website here: http://www.nacra17class.com/%E2%80%A9nacra17world%E2%80%A9championship%E2%80%A92013/

Talked to Mike yesterday, he felt like they had good speed but need more work on maneuvers. He and McKenzie have only been in the boat a few times, but they should improve quickly. Top two US teams make the US Sailing Team. Should be a fun week!


 
Posted : July 21, 2013 3:56 pm
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Some more links <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />

Weather station close to Scheveningen: http://www.zvnoordwijk.nl/weer/gauges.htm

Webcams of the beach, it gives you an idea of the conditions:
http://www.scheveningenlive.nl/boulevard-webcam/
http://www.zeewebcamscheveningen.nl/


 
Posted : July 22, 2013 3:03 am
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Looks pretty light - 5 knots.


 
Posted : July 22, 2013 8:53 am
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All boats back to the beach, not going to happen today.
Not looking good for tomorrow either, rest of the week should be slightly better although there is a chance of thunder.


 
Posted : July 22, 2013 8:57 am
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so, who's going to be the first foiling gybe in the N-17 class? <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : July 22, 2013 8:58 am
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Did a bystander/swimmer break someone's spinpole when there was not even any racing?
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Posted : July 23, 2013 6:50 am
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I hate it when that happens.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by Jake
I hate it when that happens.

...and it has to be replaced by an official Nacra one-design twig spinpole.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 7:08 am
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Den Hague is not too far from Zandvoort, which is Wouter's club. I wonder if Wouter is there to watch?

We used to layover in Den Hague, about 5 blocks from the beach. At the beach, tops are optional...so I would always take my shirt off, just because.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Originally Posted by Jake
I hate it when that happens.

...and it has to be replaced by an official Nacra one-design twig spinpole.

On the plus side I imagine that Nacra at least has parts available there.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 7:35 am
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Race 1 Blue:
Sarah/JC: 11
Mike/McKenzie: 14
Taylor/Catherine: 18

Very light, looked like a lot of current.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 10:27 am
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Just found out there is an app to track the races, TracTrac race (for Android but probably iOS as well).


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 10:54 am
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Race 2 Blue:
Taylor/Catherine: 4
Mike/McKenzie: 9
Sarah/JC: 14

Taylor had a great second DW and made big gains. Yellow fleet up soon.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 11:25 am
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Jeff I know I talk to you on every other media possible but its more fun to call you out on here, how on earth do you have time to follow all these events so closley?!?!


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 11:39 am
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Well, I had an 8am skype meeting with Singapore, followed by a 9am meeting about a talk we're giving at the AC, and am now sitting in a group meeting.... pretty easy to have tracking on in the background


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 11:44 am
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Four or five starts, but no finishes for the yellow fleet. Brutal!


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff.Dusek
Four or five starts, but no finishes for the yellow fleet. Brutal!

Sorry, but what does this mean?

Mike


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 3:44 pm
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Jeff not sure where you are reading your results or possibly there is an error in the results on the website? Or maybe you didn't have enough coffee this morning?

http://www.nacra17class.com/%E2%80%A9nacra17world%E2%80%A9championship%E2%80%A92013/results/

Has the following:

Race 1 Blue:
JC/Sarah 14
Mike Easton/Mckenzie Wilson 16
Taylor/Catherine 20

Race 2 Blue:
Easton/Wilson 11
Newberry/Casey 17
Taylor/Catherine 18

Mike it means the wind shifted/died enough after the race started to cancel racing.

Personally I figured JC/Sarah would be a bit further ahead on the U.S leader board. Sounds like its really light air sailing though and things are a little iffy. Bigger spreads to come I suspect as the breeze builds.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 5:27 pm
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My results were based on the tracker. My guess is a couple boats do not have working trackers, or that the finish positions were not exactly accurate. My apologies for being off by a point or two, just trying to be helpful.

Looks like Taylor was DSQ in race two- huge bummer, they sailed well. Not surprised Mike/McKenzie are ahead of Sarah/JC after today. From the races I saw Mike got off the line much better, which is not surprising after watching him sail away from us every week. Mike is a very good tactical sailor, and the very light breeze negates some of the TOW advantage Sarah and JC have. Hopefully they get some more breeze over the next couple days.


 
Posted : July 23, 2013 6:19 pm
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What's the scoop on the Q???

Mike


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 6:51 am
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Anyone else having issues with today's tracker? Getting a some kind of Java certificate exception error.

edit
-- Now its working... Strange. Tried 3-4 times. Finally rebooted the computer and whaddayaknow. It works...


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 8:13 am
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In Blue Fleet Q2, Taylor and Catherine were the 4th boat across the finish line but they hit the mark. They did their one turn spin and crossed again from the course side 1 or 2 boats later. The jury protested them asserting they had not

promptly

completed their turn and after a protest hearing disqualified them. In reviewing the elapsed time per the recorded tracker of the race finish, it appears that within 11 seconds of hitting the mark, T and Catherine had cleared the zone and other boats and had begun their turn which they completed on the course side of the finish line 19 seconds later and then they correctly finished 29 seconds after that. All told, it took them 59 seconds after incident of hitting the mark to complete a spin and finish from the correct course side. Given 5-6 knot wind conditions and a strong current, I am not sure how they could have been any more prompt, but nonetheless they were disqualified. Obviously very frustrating and disappointing for them. They were on the beach that day from 8 am to 11 pm and they were completely worn out by the time it was over. The recorded elapsed time showing this was not part of the evidence at the protest hearing.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by Reiss
In Blue Fleet Q2, Taylor and Catherine were the 4th boat across the finish line but they hit the mark. They did their one turn spin and crossed again from the course side 1 or 2 boats later. The jury protested them asserting they had not

promptly

completed their turn and after a protest hearing disqualified them. In reviewing the elapsed time per the recorded tracker of the race finish, it appears that within 11 seconds of hitting the mark, T and Catherine had cleared the zone and other boats and had begun their turn which they completed on the course side of the finish line 19 seconds later and then they correctly finished 29 seconds after that. All told, it took them 59 seconds after incident of hitting the mark to complete a spin and finish from the correct course side. Given 5-6 knot wind conditions and a strong current, I am not sure how they could have been any more prompt, but nonetheless they were disqualified. Obviously very frustrating and disappointing for them. They were on the beach that day from 8 am to 11 pm and they were completely worn out by the time it was over. The recorded elapsed time showing this was not part of the evidence at the protest hearing.

Seems like more targeting of USA-based teams. I've heard stories that this happens at international events and it seems that its in full swing here.

Sad and pathetic really.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 11:15 am
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next time throw the spinnaker in the water? it works for the AC <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 11:16 am
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They can re-open the protest given new information to present to the jury (tracker data). If the DSQ still holds then you appeal. Unfortunately that could get expensive if the appeals jury is in Europe. Utter ridiculous that 59 seconds is too long to complete the required penalty.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Originally Posted by Reiss
In Blue Fleet Q2, Taylor and Catherine were the 4th boat across the finish line but they hit the mark. They did their one turn spin and crossed again from the course side 1 or 2 boats later. The jury protested them asserting they had not

promptly

completed their turn and after a protest hearing disqualified them. In reviewing the elapsed time per the recorded tracker of the race finish, it appears that within 11 seconds of hitting the mark, T and Catherine had cleared the zone and other boats and had begun their turn which they completed on the course side of the finish line 19 seconds later and then they correctly finished 29 seconds after that. All told, it took them 59 seconds after incident of hitting the mark to complete a spin and finish from the correct course side. Given 5-6 knot wind conditions and a strong current, I am not sure how they could have been any more prompt, but nonetheless they were disqualified. Obviously very frustrating and disappointing for them. They were on the beach that day from 8 am to 11 pm and they were completely worn out by the time it was over. The recorded elapsed time showing this was not part of the evidence at the protest hearing.

Seems like more targeting of USA-based teams. I've heard stories that this happens at international events and it seems that its in full swing here.

Sad and pathetic really.

That really is sad if it happens at other international events. Is their something different between U.S Sailing RRS and ISAF rules I should be aware of?

International events on U.S shores certainly have their fare share of bias too. All pathetic.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 12:25 pm
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The RRS are published by ISAF and the same everywhere in the world. The only difference is the inclusion of national prescriptions.

I highly doubt they were targeting a US team, why would they? My guess is the jury felt Taylor took too long to start his penalty. Hopefully Taylor can appeal with the GPS tracker data as evidence, but it is not guaranteed the jury will allow the GPS data as evidence.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 12:31 pm
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Provisional results after 5 races:
http://www.nacra17class.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/FR_01___1.pdf

Good to see all three Dutch teams in the top 10. <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />

Has Taylor not been DSQ'ed he would move up to place 32 from current 44.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 12:43 pm
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The rule states

after getting well clear of other boats as soon after the incident as possible...

. Surely, within the stated time period, it's reasonable to accept 11 seconds for a 4th place boat to find a spot to

get well clear of other boats

. That ruling seems a little harsh.

I wouldn't jump straight to talk of

targeting American teams

from one reported incident..geesh.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 12:53 pm
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No US boats in gold fleet. Spots on US Sailing team still to play for.


 
Posted : July 24, 2013 1:03 pm
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