New Open 20 rule set

Come out and sail with us next weekend here on Pensacola beach should be lots of fun!!!!
I personally would like the chance to chat with all you 20 owners here at this event. We have been working on this rule set for months now and after talking to around a billion people and sending a trillion e-mails this is the rule set we came up with. Feed back and support is the only way to keep a new class up and running, so please come out to Pensacola beach next weekend for sum good sailing and fun in the sun.
Charlie Trinque

Should I be looking for another class at the Tradewinds?

I believe so!

yes sir open 20

Ok well I guess I'll have a free weekend in January.

I believe I have a kitchen pass for that weekend, but currently no boat to sit on. Not sure if my current pimp will make the journey with his N20

You can still race N-20 class, Tad. There should be more stock than modded and I can't imagine a stock N-20 wanting to race in open if they had a class.

It's done - might as well not fight it and sail what you got. Resistance is futile and all of that.

Really?

It's done

?

So a ruleset that originated from a small group of sailors wants to race that ruleset and then force it upon a regatta that has a regional draw.

Thanks but I'd rather not participate in a ruleset that I don't agree with nor think is worthy of competing under.

If there's a 20 class - I'll consider coming down. To be honest, Tradewinds in the past haven't been to kind to me in the past. My fault - not the regatta's.

Like Todd said, there will likely still be a N20 class to race in. Rick's just accomodating a new class. I think it's great that he is. If it were all N20's with nothing more than aftermarket sails, then I'll race in it. If there are different types of boats, then I'm really not interested.

what do we have that would likely show? a few M20s, the CFR 20 and one or two new F20C?

The M20's and F20C's don't qualify under this new ill-conceived ruleset.

Both are too wide. The M20 would have to carry a jib too.

I don't know anything about the CFR20.

Don't hold back, how do you really feel?

PS there may be a n20 racing in dundin next sun (Fondrk) for the Sail for cancer if you want to practice

tell Fondrik to put Tradewinds on his list and Hiram's too. There are enough boats in this area to make a N20 class now if they all came out at the same time.

i will mention it to him and Dennis if i see them next weekend. I dont plan on racing but i do plan on participating in the event (giving a cash donation).

This process is just like giving birth to a baby. To its mom and dad, it is the most beautiful thing under G-d's creation. To the rest of the world,

all babies look like Winston Churchill

!! Please note that the Rule set is a start. It initially results in extending the life of the N20 class that has been abondoned by the manufacturer to allow Open Sails. In the mid and long term, the rules have enough legs to encourage development. If you like the first part but not the second, the class will vote on amendements after year one. The O20 will not prevent

stock

N20 owners from class racing. Just don't forget that

stock

means quite a range of products.

I hope to see you on the water,

Sail Fast, Live Strong

Ken

Kani Basami

Nacra 20 (EP sail 483)
O20 (Schurr Sail #8, Glaser Spin, SNU)

Baby B

H-Wave

If all you want to do is race with your aftermarket sails then just enter open spin class and be done with it.

This isn't prolonging anything in the N20 class at all.

If it turns the class around or doesn’t does it really matter at this point? To do nothing is without a doubt the death of the class. There was little to no leadership to champion the OD cause, if there were it’s unlikely the class would even be considering the O20 concept. The fact that there is enough energy and enthusiasm left in the fleet to even try something different speaks volumes about those still involved. Apathy is the cancer of our sport and these folks clearly have their heart in the right place. Try to see the positive of their efforts and in the end will it honestly impact the enjoyment of your N20?

Keep in mind Tad deep down you won't find a bigger OD bigot than me but even I can see this effort as a positive.

So now those of us that do want to race OD will now need to buy an OD sail, and then a second aftermarket set to be competitive when there is only an

O20

fleet if I want to be competitive?

Sounds like a GREAT idea to me.

Its no wonder that my motivation to go race is at an all time low!

You win.

So what I need to do is set up my F20c with the F18 beams to qualify as an

Open 20

...

Ewwwww, why would you even want to do that?

Yeah, really, why would you want to do that?

I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, I got out because I saw the writing on the wall, so I'll hold back my comments.

Hey don't hate the player

Hate the game...

Guess it would be a simple mod to have a set of F18 beams for your boat, then you could play under these rules and show the flaws contained therein.

Based on the boats in the garage, it would just take a new set of shrouds, Forestay, and trap wires. Everything else could be cobbled together from the existing boats.

My guess it would be way overpowered upwind and scary fast downwind...

Fixed it for you!

You could always build a version of Steve Clark's openwing for it too. Since the rules don't forbid that either.

(you just have to put a jib on it for some strange reason)

Tad,
Please allow me to ask this. Being new to the game, I can understand your desire for purist in the N20 pursuit, and make it a level playing field. I sailed this weekend with a bunch of top notch sailors and they smoked me at every race. They could beat me with a 14 Hobie, but I still had a good time. I know in time I'll get better. They'll beat me time after time, but I'll keep trying. If we allow a set or given design of sail by different lofts to be used, what is wrong with making the boats more competitive. I mean, who will want to buy a N20 in a couple of years when it's so slow a F16 can out run it. I'm just asking.
Thanks
Forrest N20