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[#21773]

Joyon & IDEC have nothing on this dude's ride:

[Linked Image]

Hulls & Ama's made out of huge alu I-beam's...while the actual beams are out of tubular trusses.

The young chap expects to finish anyday now and immediately set off on an arond the world solo cruise.

Stay tuned folks, this is sure to entertain <img src=

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His Blog:
TinCan


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 3:43 am
(@Anonymous 13024)
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Entertain? Sounds and looks more like an accident waiting to happen. One would think it prudent to at least give the craft some serious testing first.
10 out of 10 points for doing it.
10 out of 10 points for trying something different.
0 points for not testing his creation (if I got it right).


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 3:47 am
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Just read up on his other Esquire article

I do not have a death wish

He is finishing work in San Francisco and plans to do some bay sail tests, then transit to Long Beach prior to starting the circumnavigation.

Hulls are filled with foam. 8,000 lbs, $25,000 budget. Build in about 3 months (goal was 2). Deadlines for departing keep slipping. 1st Naval Architect walked away from it when he got the willies about the around the globe attempt.

Check out the boat layout & diagrams...the beams form a

X

at the main hull.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Looks very weak for the racking it will need to take.

All welded alloy...so he's lost the temper strength at the weld areas.

Yikes!


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 4:27 am
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I've always said~don't fear the speed, fear the addiction..
but in this case> FEAR THE BOAT< Good luck crew, wear yer PFD's & take.. cell phone, walkie talkie,& GPS so ya can tell the Coast Guard where to pluck ya outta the water..


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 7:21 am
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You think it will fail before it gets out of cell phone range? <img src=

alt=

/> EPIRB is more like it, and a liferaft or two. BTW: Mast looks like a standard industrial alu extrusion as well?

Seriously, he obviously have got some feedback since he says he dont have a death wish and will do some testing. Hope he tests it hard enough.
Looking at the design, I think living aboard will be a challenge in itself even if it holds together structurally. Flat bottoms, very narrow main hull for use as living quarters, storage etc. A metal boat so it will be very noisy inside.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 7:47 am
 grob
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Looks very weak for the racking it will need to take.

It looks weak cos it ain't finished, the renderings of the finished boat make the beams look pretty sound to me.
This is the kind of adventure I love, good luck to the guy. [Linked Image]


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 7:58 am
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A metal boat so it will be very noisy inside.

Did you see the Volvo 70 DVDs?, it cant be much worse than carbon. <img src=

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Everytime they would ease the gennaker sheet from winch the entire boat was like a giant oildrum (not good for light sleepers).


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 8:06 am
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I don't see this thing floating on it's line, it just may be a submersible.
Then there is the issue of twist. One can only hope that when it comes apart no one is harmed in the rescue effort.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 8:30 am
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I admire the spirit, but really now...come'on. There's not much chance of success on this one. The flat bottom is going to have terrible sea action, the narrow width of that hull has very little room inside, the aluminum is going to be incredibly noisy and COLD, and while I think his truss system on the ama supports seem to be OK, I really question the attachment method to the amas (rather the lack of anything appearing significant).


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 8:39 am
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I like the nice sharp edges on the house/coffin. That'll be great to get slammed into. I hope he got his tetanus shot.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 9:12 am
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This guy is in San Francisco somewhere. Can someone go over and have a look at it?


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 10:30 am
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Haven't managed to find other info on this one, but is he trying to breake any record ?
It will surely set a new record for ugliness.
I have seen a few years back on Discovery Channel a documentary about a young kid rounding the world in 7,5m boat named Lionheart or something like that. No fancy boat , no fancy equipment, just ....optimism.

I would love to have a neighbour like this tincantri guy. He deserves a lot of apreciation. Pioneers, explorers, inventors have a large dose of insanity and optimism. Insanity overcomes fear, while optimism overcomes the lack of reality sense.

He's a winner no matter what will happen. Eh... I hope he doesn't injure himself too bad, but some scars will represent cool medals.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 11:47 am
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I'm near San Francisco and going that direction in a week. If somebody tells me where it is I'll go and snap some pictures.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 11:59 am
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THere is a long thread on Sailing Anarchy on this fiasco...someone there posted they have seen the boat at the SanFran site...and walk by in regularly...maybe you can get in touch with him to figure out exactly where.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 12:08 pm
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I like the nice sharp edges on the house/coffin. That'll be great to get slammed into. I hope he got his tetanus shot.

That wheel house looks very much like a crypt:

[Linked Image]

Mike.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 12:12 pm
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Scars are not badges Florian, they are reminders of past miscalculations <img src=

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Posted : January 23, 2008 12:13 pm
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I admire the spirit, but really now...come'on. There's not much chance of success on this one. The flat bottom is going to have terrible sea action, the narrow width of that hull has very little room inside, the aluminum is going to be incredibly noisy and COLD, and while I think his truss system on the ama supports seem to be OK, I really question the attachment method to the amas (rather the lack of anything appearing significant).

Ever try holding on to an aluminum beam or mast when it cold? It just sucks the heat right out of your hands very quickly....big heat sink! I guess you could over come this with enough insulation...but the housing is incredibly small (was it 6x8x4?...stated in the second article I listed). So, once you've got your foodstuffs, minimal gear etc (spare sails??), where will you fit reasonable insulation?

I hope he's though about foot traction...alu when wet is very slippery, even with good boots on.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 12:19 pm
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Haven't managed to find other info on this one, but is he trying to breake any record ?

The second article I posted states he is trying to become the 1st American ever sail solo around starting from the West coast. Apparently only 1 other person has done it, a Canuck.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 12:21 pm
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I'm heading up to the city Thurs. Who knows where it is? Looks like East Bay somewhere from the pix. I don't know a boat yard in SF with that many weeds in the background. Vallejo, Berkeley, Oaktown, Alameda? I'll go check it out if someone let's me know.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 12:44 pm
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Another interesting Trimaran with some new ideas (at the time).
http://www.penduick.com/pages/uk/bateaux_uk/penduick4_uk.htm

Darryn
1782


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 5:17 pm
 Karl
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He's going to die a very lonely death. I'm all for adventure but it doesn't look promising.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 5:43 pm
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Looks very weak for the racking it will need to take.
All welded alloy...so he's lost the temper strength at the weld areas.
Yikes!

Yeah, but from the first post, I thought it sounded like he is just going to

cruise

around the world -- not like he is trying to set a record or anything. I can't imagine

cruising

in that, though. It's going to be pretty hard to pick up women along the way with that coffin cabin. <img src=

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Posted : January 23, 2008 6:09 pm
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I saw Pen Duick IV sailing, the morning after she arrived a day ahead of Windward Passage's winning finish in the TransPac- at Diamond Head. We had sailed out from the AlaWai Harbor on a nice 27 ft leaner to the finish line to see WP come in early on a beautiful morning. Then I heard this sizzling noise and just to weather of us was PenDuick IV, looking like a huge grey spider on 3 sticks, screaming past us at way more than twice our speed, both full battened sails sheeted in tight, big jib drawing. Absolutely breath-taking I thought. Incroyable as they say in France! A chill went down my backbone, and I knew right then I would be sailing multihulls forever! Not to make a point of it (HAH!), Taberly sailed about 2 miles to weather, sailed around Windward Passage that was herself under full spinnaker and really hauling the mail. Taberly then put up his chute, passed WP easily, and ran way ahead past the Diamond head buoy. Then he repeated this

in your face

gesture, going back to weather, passing and jibing then popping his chute and zooming ahead WP a second time past the Diamond Head Buoy.
I guess monohull sailors get furious about this kind of showing off. What, was he supposed to go as slow? I thought it was fantastic and thus changed my life. Nobody at the Waikiki Yacht Club liked this boat.
The novice sailor under discussion would have done well to do some engineering research by looking seriously at Taberly's excellent design. It looks awful to me: I was there and have seen the real Elephant.


 
Posted : January 23, 2008 10:14 pm
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I'm heading up to the city Thurs. Who knows where it is? Looks like East Bay somewhere from the pix. I don't know a boat yard in SF with that many weeds in the background. Vallejo, Berkeley, Oaktown, Alameda? I'll go check it out if someone let's me know.

I think I have a bead on location for you...

Napa CA


 
Posted : January 24, 2008 4:43 pm
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It hope he can find only flat sea...I would question the potential for severe torsional stress in an ocean swell. It is my hope that he gets a few engineer's opinions before taking his design into blue water.


 
Posted : January 28, 2008 10:35 am
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An ocean going friend of mine once described blue water as any water that is deeper than your ankles and wider than your bath tub.

I hope this thing breaks up on launch, then maybe he won't drown.


 
Posted : January 28, 2008 10:43 am
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I saw Pen Duick IV sailing,...

Tabarly, Eric Tabarly. A God in France. He is the one who started the whole thing.


 
Posted : January 28, 2008 4:47 pm
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wonder if he knows about this story

or cares

or cares about his wife/life

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...in_page_id=1770


 
Posted : January 31, 2008 1:58 am
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He is an author by trade... http://worldcat.org/oclc/60783049

And pictures from his story... turning this
[Linked Image]

into this
[Linked Image]

His website says he has

US Coast Guard 200 Ton Masters license and has sailed forty thousand miles offshore

He already knows how to get rescued!


 
Posted : January 31, 2008 6:22 pm
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Mike Teets, I must admire your observation of

he already knows how to get rescued!

This guy is obviously depending on being rescued from the mess that he is weaving for himself. It is very evident that he knows how to create a spectacle of himself and then get rescued.

Here is a noteworthy thread of discussion that I found to be quite interesting. bulletin board

All of the twisting forces that will be applied to his

ship

could possibly be absorbed by a laced and tied configuration used by our early ancestors. But to hard-weld some aluminum struts together and expect them to endure the weathers of the high seas, without testing or proving, is just a ridiculous undertaking.

I dream and hope for the day that Mr. Vann proves me wrong. But as a catamaran sailing explorer of my own frontier, I have to say that this guy is acting irresponsibly.

It appears to me that I did more testing, on a proven design, to visit a National Park that is within only 20-50 miles of my own country's shores, than did Mr. Vann in his plan to sail around the entire planet.

If this guy ever gets afloat, I am afraid that he will get far too much attention for what he deserves. In my view, he deserves to be condemned for this feat, unless he is asking to be considered, contemplated, confirmed for his ideas and risk taking. If considered, contemplated his plan will certainly be condemned by his peers.

Mr. Vann needs to request peer support, in which case he will certainly be grounded. Without the support of the sailing community, he should feel as though he is undertaking a dangerous risk that will likely result in the unnecessary risk of human life when those who care for his life will have to risk their own lives in trying to rescue him from the watery grave in which he seems determined to plunge himself into.

Note that Mr. Vann has mentioned not one, but two suicides that motivate him to make this endeavor.

<img src=

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GARY

for example


 
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