Jeremy,
Thank You for the coverage here and SA.
One a$$hat out of all those views on SA ain't bad.
Todd
I must have just missed it. I got there about 9:15 am. no tin can. I saw vessel assist coming in. must have been the tow out. Jeremy neat little shop you have. Thanks for the update. I was tring to get the story. light winds today hopfully he makes it back to the bay.
Well, that didn't take long !
Wouter
Not very surprising to anyone who has sailed a cat, that the
crossbar
design was just too weak to withstand stress pressure on those welds. Especially in an ocean swell, those points looked to me that they were going to crack rather quickly. I am relieved they failed quickly.
Rex
Wow. They are the viscous sort over on SA. While totally possible that I'm an idiot, they're just harsh.
No doubt Karl! I came running back here looking for my blankie sucking my thumb. That's a good site to be anonymous. I'm more inclined to tell people like that to... Awww, never mind!
One redemption:
I guess because I'm so public, and know quite a few people in the sailing world, I got about 30 emails apologizing for that one bad apple. Good to have friends!
Lead *is* a developmental neurotoxin, of course, and those guys have been sailing monohulls since childhood.
Seriously, I think the SA guys do their 'manly' best to berate people in their forum as sort of a college hazing, one-upmanship thing; it's usually a harmless, though asinine, indulgence.
Only because most of them are college age kids, think they know it all, and the funny part is they think 8 knots is fast!
I love all the smack talk about the Tin Can breaking up and
going to the bottom
. I guess it never occured to them that unless all 3 hulls are holed, it will float even if it breaks apart. One of several nice features of multihulls!
It never occured because they sail lead mines, which usually do end up on the bottom, when things get ugly.
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I'm hoping I misunderstood, but is he going BACK OUT? Even if it's just back to the Bay, can't somebody convince this guy it's time to just break out the Sawzall already? It just seems like such a waste of energy and resources, how 'bout welding somebody aluminum survival shelters in Tornado Alley, or a gigantic 18 person pedal powered commuter cars, you know, something that actually has a chance of working...
and he wants to take it down to the southern ocean, did you see the maxi tri groupama just capsized within the relative shelter of the nz coast
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OK, just got back from SD Midwinters...trying to catch up my this post I started ages ago.
So, What'd I Miss?
OK, I heard he put in to SC with a wee failure on the cross over thingie-ma-jiggy....and that he's headed back to SF....any news since he left SC?
That thing was in no shape to go upwind on the ocean prior to the failure...it's just going to collapse.
and if the groupama breakup dosn't convince vann that the southern ocean is too much for the can maybe this report from the russian trying to set a record for antarctic circumnavigation will
18th Feb 08. 1200 UTC Sat Phone Sched with Fedor
"Here at 52 South it is very harsh conditions with winds 50-55 knots, gusts up to 65 knots, and monstrous seas. Some of the waves are half the height of my 110 ft mast. It is difficult to breath on deck when standing against the wind. The main sail is completely down lashed to the boom. I have 1/3 of the stay-sail set and the boat is going at 10 knots, surfing 15 knots on the waves. It’s very rough but but boat is holding up OK and conditions are gradually weakening. Fedor”.
he's got a cv that vann should respect
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One redemption:
I guess because I'm so public, and know quite a few people in the sailing world, I got about 30 emails apologizing for that one bad apple. Good to have friends!
Don't get to hung up on the SA guys. There's a lot of bluster and they like to break everyone's chops. It is a good way to eliminate the trolls. Everyone else gives what they get.
Nice pics!
I dont think that sailing in the Southern Ocean is a very good idea for this guy. He doest even have lifelines going from hull to hull, and he said that he doesnt trust having a tramp in between either. Im gonna make an early call here and say that he's done for.
From the first time I saw it, I thought it was some kind of scam or joke. I mean, it's just silly. And when I saw how supportive his wife apparently is for this venture, it just reinforced my conviction that it is some kind of a joke. (Unless she is very happy to see him go and die at sea.)
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Mary,
Isn't it obvious why his wife is so
supportive
? She must have a HUGE insurance policy on him!!
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Jeremy,
You're published!
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Don't forget us when you make the big time.
That Lattitude 38 lead ariticle makes it sound like the Groupma boys knew the boat was breaking up, you can see how they turned nearly 90 degrees off course to the north, to get out of the wind and waves...
And our boy Vann will be in port until next year, fixing his toy.
I think that would be surprising. I had wondered myself how they ended up up there, but my recollection is that the blog on the Groupama site mentioned earlier that they were heading northeast to position themselves relative to a storm system.
They had to know - if they had to previously fashion a repair to the port structure arm, then it could be derived that they made a poor decision to continue.
He's surfaced:
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According to a post on SA, he's apparently being towed outside Vallejo...perhaps heading back to Napa boatyard.
Is this the last we'll see of the Can a float? Will it be a quick weld up repair and back out to sea? Or, is he headed for the scrap yard?
He now probably has his attention diverted to more fesable stuff ...like space travel. Snap a couple of rockets on each hull and it's ready. Might be a good competitor for Branson.
Well, think about guy's~~~~ he's got ''BALLS''. And anyone else who goes around the world~~but they do it with boats that FLOAT & usually make it........ <img src=
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I'm pretty sure this guy was not
brave
; he was
bold
.
Bold is not being afraid and doing something.
Brave is being very afraid and doing it anyway.
Fear is a natural feeling that keeps us alive. When it is missing, you don't stay alive very long.
I heard a cool saying that fits this subject well...
There are BOLD sailors and there are OLD sailors, but there are very few OLD BOLD sailors.
What was the saying again ?
The difference between brave and stupid is luck ?
Wouter
Jeremy, I cant find where they burned you over there on SA, but in my search I found another good fight between, Ro and Hyde, man its rough over there. Tin Man never had a chance over there, too bad the multihull community didnt embrace him either...but really, how could we?
EEEHH, It wasn't that bad in retrospect. It was just a little hazing. A few posts later I came clean with everyone and told them what was up...and actually got sort of an apology from the offender.
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As far as the flow of USEFUL information goes, you can't beat catsailor. And dare I say, even more specific if you're into it, the Hobie forums. Especially since both are so focussed on what we like...cats. The ratio of useful info to BS here is much better than SA.
I've been sailing here on the West Coast for a long time and was a hired gun for a well known racing monohull distributor both in Socal and Norcal. That, coupled with the fact that I'm recognizable and generally have made a jerk out of myself at every yacht club in CA. I think, people tend to remember me. The year I was Santa Clause at the O-side YC comes to mind...That's a story for another time.
On a more serious note...My vision for joining SA is to interject some positive cat info every chance I get. It's like outreach to the yacht clubs. And, I've been PM'd by a bunch of people I haven't talked to in years, so it's been pretty neat.
TinCan
As one of the few people that have been aboard the Tin Can while it was in the water. I can tell you it's a sketchy boat. I couldn't imagine it in a seaway. The decks on the sides of the cabintop were so narrow, I couldn't even get a good footing, no lifelines, sitting in the '****' I was about 2' off the water, and everything was slippery. I'm overall a pretty positive person, but that boat is dangerous!
Meeting Vann was cool though. I don't agree with the people that say he's a scammer or any of that. I think he's one of those eccentric artist-types thats a bit misguided.
Thanks again gree and MB and others that defended my n00b postings. I'm still a giant loser though, [color:
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It's all fun and games!
And again!
I've got nothing but hurt inside now <img src=
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No, No, what I meant to say was...
Aaaw Karl, you should just start swearing at me and making fun of my mama!! <img src=
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As my only friend, and dude that sails in my fleet...Do you need a hug bro? <img src=
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