You'll have to explain what you are refering to on this.
Jeremy,
Thanks for supporting this event like you have. Looks like HCA has kind of put you in the middle of things. When I was doing some support for Sailboats of Bakersfield, I noticed you were doing an incredible job of reggatta support. You are truly an embassador of good will for the sport. I would have to say, if someone is pointing a finger at you calling you an
idiot
, then there's three more pointed back at them. I'll be intouch with you off line about things comming up.
BTW, I can't remember who it was that told me I could't race at Midwinters. Whomever was in charge back then, I guess. It was through an e-mail. The resopnse was something like
You will not be allowed to race
. I do remember that was a deciding factor for me on choosing which regatta to attend from there on out. When I was in Az, I chose Fleet 42 over the local Hobie fleet 66 because of the
exclusive
additude, even though I had a Hobie then too. I can understand the thought process behind all this but I don't agree with it. It also doesn't supprise me that any fast boat that Hobie sells now has to be designed and built in Europe.
Dissension with in the ranks of the Hobie Only Militia - there is a god!!!!
This horse is dead, you know what to do when the horse is dead. YOU GET OFF
Wow. There is a couple pretty nasty people out there. I said it before and I'll say it again: Leave Gordo, Jeremy and anyone else you want to blame, the kiss out of this. Jeremy is NOT an idiot, Jeremy is truley one of the coolest guys around, and he's doing what he does to support his family and his fun all at the same time. Don't we ALL wish we could do that.
None of this even matters anymore, so move on. Nothing to see here. We have Trapseaters lining up to come to HavaMega, there is a bajillion Tigers, 20 and 17s coming too. You want a large Wave event, then conform to the rules that have been set, and come to the Desert in Nov.
As far as you guys STILL complaining on not being able to come to one of the HCA-NA sanctioned events on your 'insert name here' boat, I don't know what to tell you. It is what it is and other than a few people here and there, we don't want or intend to change it.
Wave sailors: We (HCA-NA) will CONTINUE to offer One design racing at ALL of our approved events for the Hobie Wave. And the 21 too. 3+ boats gets you your own start. Anyone tells you differnt, please have them contact me or Matt Bounds.
Please stop. There are a few posters on this thread that I thought I was friendly with, but some of the comments made I am starting to take personally, and there are just too many nice people in our Hobie-universe and sailing group to deal with this name calling and bullshi#. Let it go. Be nice. Have a happy day with whatever boat you have. Be glad you have the means and ability to even have a great hobby like this and let people do what they are going to do.
Chris
Thanks for all that you have been doing everyday.
When I see posts like have been put up here, I go back to what mom said: Consider the source.
Another question I ask myself is: How do they know that?(did I miss something?)
When guys are not involved with the HCA or go on personnel attacks or have sailed in one regatta in ten years they lose credibility with me and really don't merit a response.
Keep up the good work.
It's unfortunate for the future of catsailing that so many people here would rather lash out at people and refuse to let go of the personal agendas than step forward to make something good happen. Very unfortunate.
I gave a reasonable option to resolve the issue at hand (Waves at HavaMega). Only one person even made reference to it, and again, showed how willing they are to make a personal agenda get in the way of event success.
I don't think we need to look at edicts, manufacturers, or anything else to understand why catsailing is on the decline. This thread shows the real issues all too well.
Mike
Sorry, I read your idea brucat, and if there are people serious about it, I'll talk to Gordo and see what kind of arm twisting I can do. Its a good idea, and didn't mean to gloss over it.
Hi Chris,
You, Jeremy, Gordo, and a host of others are doing great things. Sometimes that gets lost in these threads.
My last set of comments really had less to do with the actual idea that I offered (maybe it could help, who knows), than with the state of things in general.
The way this all went down certainly won't make it into a Top 10 list of best PR stints, but if people aren't willing to ALLOW something positive to come of it, nothing will. I have been the victim of this mentality in the past as well.
Mike
Hey Mark,
I think your trying to shoot the messenger. Jeremy seems to be caught in the middle, not the one you need to be railing against.
Hey Jeremy,
There's a real good possibility that those not coming don't get on this forum. I know I check it everyday, but as I discovered in trying to build the N-20 owner's list, lotsa folks don't.I've been getting a steady trickle at best, from the forum. I know it's crazy but some folks aren't as addicted as us.I'd also appreciate it if you didn't blackball Mark from the swag list, as I sail in the same class as him. He's done alot for cats for along time.
You two have alot more in common than you know.Your both trying to do the right thing.
Now let's all hold hands and sing
Kumbaya
Todd
Kumbaya
?
That belongs over here...
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Mike
So long as everyone is looking for positive solutions consider this. Everyone agrees that a strong and viable Wave class is good for the sport. Having two sets of rules for two Wave classes works counter to that goal. The fact that the HCA is evidently not allowed to have any flexibility in working with the IWCA also runs counter to that goal.
So the question is how can we get the Wave class under one set of rules and thereby have the HCA and the IWCA working together?
You just have a Stock Wave and a Pro-stock Wave class. One runs the factory sail and rudders, the other you can run what you want, as long as the total sail area measures in to the IWCA rule. And you hand out 3 more trophies. What's the problem?
Experience has shown that the creation of class divisions is detrimental to the long-term viability of the class.
Example - Hobie 14 / 14 Turbo, Hobie 18 / Magnum / SX, NACRA 6.0 / NE, etc, etc.
There aren't enough Waves racing to create two separate classes.
That truly is the question though, Bob is right.
Example - Hobie 14 / 14 Turbo, Hobie 18 / Magnum / SX, NACRA 6.0 / NE, etc, etc.
There aren't enough Waves racing to create two separate classes.
Don't forget the light/heavy classes the H17 had for a while.
Experience has shown that the creation of class divisions is detrimental to the long-term viability of the class.
Example - Hobie 14 / 14 Turbo, Hobie 18 / Magnum / SX, NACRA 6.0 / NE, etc, etc.
There aren't enough Waves racing to create two separate classes.
So why not pick the strongest of the two and rejoice through support and sales. Hobie could certainly work up a competitive mainsail and an enhanced rudder system to support the class AND bring in a little revenue. All the Hobie pieces-parts exist to do it already. What about a competitive and consistent pentex main? Treat it like a business opportunity.
Perhaps Hobie could talk with the IWCA and negotiate a change in the IWCA rule for unilateral support of a Hobie-only rudder system in the future if Hobie agrees to make one available that meets the needs of the class. Allow the sailors to grandfather in pre-existing rudder systems. You know, it IS possible to work together and for both parties to benefit.
Much better people.
Bob, I thought we were going to have to give you a blanket party, you seem better now.
Jake: I already asked those questions almost exactly, but didn't get the enthusiastic YES I was hoping for. If the sail and rudder are the issues, I didn't understand why we (HC)don't try to conform to what is desired by the racers, as the social sailors won't know the diff, anyway. Who knows, maybe big brother is listening in on this thread? Maybe not.....
Oh yea, Pat: I was shoving bars of soap in a sock to go totally Full Metal Jacket on him at any moment.......
Bob, I thought we were going to have to give you a blanket party, you seem better now.
Spoken like a guy whose first name is the patron saint and last name ends in a vowel. <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />
To All, I have read every post this evening. Sorry, but I'm slammed and spend little time on forums of late. I'd like to thank everyone who presented positive input on this issue as it has been an object of at least moderate stress for me the past month or so. Your words have been a great comfort. Anyone who was venting in negative tone, I can only say that while I don't sympathize entirely, I do understand the angst that exists over One Design Policy. Perhaps H1616 said it best with 'No good deed goes unpunished'. I will comment that the name of this thread is the most disheartening of all, as I never extended a
UNINVITED
notice to anyone. I truly want everyone to come! We are working feverishly to put together the biggest Cat party anyone could possibly imagine. Anyone who has changed their plans will be missing it, and it pains me no end to read that.
If you must know the real gist of this, it is that rules do matter. Yes, an official 'protest' of this event was brandished because of our decision to use the IWCA rules. That potentiality was viable at least amongst the powers that be. This would have been catastrophic for HAVAMEGA. If you want to send a message to the person or persons who made that threat, then come and participate anyway, regardless of your interests. I can assure you, we will roll out the red carpet for you. Lake Havasu City is ready and prepared to make this the most incredibly fun event you've seen in a great many years.
Yes, we'll race, but it is all about the party, and hangin' out with the whole catamaran community.
I consider this forum thread to have been one of the most enlightening and informative conversations amongst cat sailors to date. Thanks to Rick White for getting the ball rolling. Our communications have been very friendly, and I'm hoping to meet him at our event. He has a good understanding of what transpired, and has done his best to convey the recent developements. What a class act.
Let not your heart be troubled. We are on course, even through this bump in the road. If you all saw the results of the 'Dana Point 40th Anniversary Regatta', with over 100 boats on the beach, then as has been said so many times,
You ain't seen nothin' yet
. Please feel free to contact me anytime about your questions and concerns about HAVAMEGA at gnbii@msn.com. I get over 50 emails a day about it, and it's an object of serious emotional attachment. That is why this particular issue has been so very difficult. Please, if you've changed your mind about coming, for your own pleasure, I'd ask humbly that you reconsider.
Thank you kindly for all of your efforts in promoting catamaran racing, which I consider 'The Best Place In All Of Sailing',
-Gordo Bagley, HAVAMEGA Regatta Chaiman, see havamega.com
Hi Todd,
Yes, in retrospect my calling Jeremy names was not needed to make my point and I apologize to him publicly.
We have exchanged private emails regarding our intentions.
I still stand by my basic point and think that a letter to the IWCA membership should go along way to settling the matter. Perhaps taking off on Gordo Bagley last post!
Mark
Well, hell just ****ing froze over and some pigs grew wings.
This is better. Thanks.
J
Yes, we'll race, but it is all about the party, and hangin' out with the whole Hobie catamaran community.
Fixed it for you. Let's be honest.
Flying pork chops? yummmmm
PS Jeremy... you rock!
This is better. Thanks.
J
Pigs Grew Wings?!!!!!!!!!!1
That causes SWINE FLUE !!!
Thanks Gordo and Jeremy.
Yes, we'll race, but it is all about the party, and hangin' out with the whole Hobie catamaran community.
Fixed it for you. Let's be honest.
I sense a lot of anger in you, brother!
No anger here ,bro. Just trying to ease the tension a bit. Sometimes my humor is lost on people that haven't met me in person, I'm way worse. Sometimes it's just lost on people...
I'd be lying if I said I thought the edict was a good decision, but that's ancient history. What's done is done.I think it's been re-hashed enough.
I almost bought a Hobie Stand-up paddle board the other day, but I figured I better try one out first.
Tawd
p.s. I wouldn't let any of this stress you out, Gordo. You can't please all the people all the time.
p.s. I wouldn't let any of this stress you out, Gordo. You can't please all the people all the time.
Yes, Ol' Honest Abe had that right!
Rest assured brother, I'm over it. The stress was pretty intense before the decision was made. I'm very pleased with this thread and the openness of everyone involved. You probably know that one reason I love this sport so intensely is due to the great friends around North America that have made my life a lot richer.
Oh yea, Pat: I was shoving bars of soap in a sock to go totally Full Metal Jacket on him at any moment.......
Ok so the HCA Chair and the event organizer agree but the plan got derailed. Someone somewhere thought this was a bad idea. We have heard that expressed already. Those people are the ones we need to hear from. What's their plan to bring these two groups together? Let's hear it.