Hey Glenn, I have crewed on a 5.8 a couple times. It was newer than '82, but still several years old. It was a robust boat. Well built. Compared to my 580, it would be a handful. More race tuned and more controls. 580 was so powerful, but more recreational. Not as twitchy at the helm as the 5.8 or the 17. Very foregiving also. I don't think i would enjoy sailing solo on the 5.8 or the 580 due to the power and sheer size. 570 has been great for me. compared to the 580, it is a little smaller, lighter & manageable. But, plenty of boat in every respect. You could also consider the N500. Just a 16 foot version of my 570. Has plenty of bouyancy for two people.
astglenn wrote: Those knobs in your avatar look JUST like Marshall knobs!
Yeah, but do they go to eleven???
tangledsail wrote: Hey Glenn, I have crewed on a 5.8 a couple times. It was newer than '82, but still several years old. It was a robust boat. Well built. Compared to my 580, it would be a handful. More race tuned and more controls. 580 was so powerful, but more recreational. Not as twitchy at the helm as the 5.8 or the 17. Very foregiving also. I don't think i would enjoy sailing solo on the 5.8 or the 580 due to the power and sheer size. 570 has been great for me. compared to the 580, it is a little smaller, lighter & manageable. But, plenty of boat in every respect. You could also consider the N500. Just a 16 foot version of my 570. Has plenty of bouyancy for two people.
Thanks Tangle. This is exactly the insight that helps me. I tell ya. There are so many excellent boats out there at reasonable cost, that it almost makes it too good. I have been hovering around the idea of either really going for it and finding a carbon masted Javelin or A cat platform, or going the other direction which leads me to the Nacra 580, or the boat I have become seriously lustful about recently, the Prindle 18-2. My H-18 is making a very forgiving boat that I am learning when and where to push the edge as a single hand.
I fully admit to not knowing much about sailing in general and less about cats specifically. I am learning and having a blast. I found another H-16 (79) that we are vaccu injecting soft spots this weekend.
I am like a frikin weasel on a triple espresso here. My back yard looks like a used Hobie dealership
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klozhald wrote: [quote=astglenn]Those knobs in your avatar look JUST like Marshall knobs!
Yeah, but do they go to eleven???
Spinal Tap! That was the classic bit that will never die. So funny.
astglenn wrote: Spinal Tap! That was the classic bit that will never die. So funny.
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astglenn wrote: ...I have become seriously lustful about recently, the Prindle 18-2.
Arr, the Two is a lusty lass herself- Tornado shaped hulls without those pesky gunwales lets her slice through the waves like a hot cutlass thru butter!
(normal voice...) Bullet proof Prindle construction and design. We sailed her with my son and his friend the other day in 15 kts gusting to 20 and we were flying a hull with 500+ lbs of meat on the rail. We put the friend on lee side for a bit and he was trapped between the two walls of water coming up on either side of the lee hull. We could hear him screaming but couldn't quite understand the words... so we kept sailing.
I have been sailing my '87 P18-2 since I bought it new, and have single-handed it a few times. A friend in CA, Bob Martinez, regularly single hands his Two in the open ocean out past Anacapa Island. So it's a versitile cat.
The deck is a little cluttered forward with the true four-way jib block rig and a Barber Hauler, and I have kept them because they work. The relationship between the jib and main is powerful and critical on this cat, and I like being able to dial in the jib. I have marked every line on the cat so that I can tell how it is set from the trapeze. When you are out on the wire, the deck clutter doesn't matter.
I am collecting data on the Two in the Photo section:
http://thebeachcats.com/pictures/?g2_itemId=88542
Feel free to take a peek.
Sheet In!
astglenn,
This is Bob Martinez singlehanding his Two out past Anacapa Island, CA.
At this point he is about 8 miles offshore and headed west.
Looks comfortable, doesn't he?
I think this was taken during Frenchy's Rum Run, an out-and-back beam(ish) reach.
30 miles of racing with one tack (or is it a gybe?).
About halfway to Frenchy's beach the sea floor drops to 750 feet, so the whales like to cruise through the warmer water often enough that the whale watching boats from Santa Barbara come here.
Edited by klozhald on Sep 14, 2012 - 09:40 AM.
I would buy one just to sail with you guys. You sound all kinds of fun. I have never heard a bad thing about the 18-2. It would seem that in the world of boats, where one just aint ever enough, the grass is always greener and compromise abounds, the 18-2 seems to be the boat with the widest following of loyalists that aint on Prozac. Let me temper that by saying " a boat of that class" Since I have no class, I am chasing a Javelin to see about possibly of trying that platform. Gets me down to one sail and a light mast.
Lisa said "Over her dead body" As luck would have it, she choked on a lolipop,.. tomorrow!
astglenn wrote: Lisa said "Over her dead body" As luck would have it, she choked on a lolipop,.. tomorrow!
Help an old lady across the street today.
After this comment, you need all the good karma you can get!
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astglenn,
The Bimare Javelin?
Overall the boat is light, but the masts are really long.
The Javelin 16 has a nearly 30 foot mast with spreaders.
Even though its carbon, its still three stories long, and pre-loaded with halyards and blocks galore.
• length: 4.95 m
• beam: 2.30 m
• Total sail area: 25 m2
• maximum draft: 0,95 m
• minimum draft: 0,17 m
• Mast length: 9,0 m
• weight: 100 kg
One of the local guys has a Bimare 18HT.
He used to own a P 19, and says the HT is a rocket.
If you get the 16, we wanna see pictures from your helmet-mounted GoPro!
Edited by klozhald on Sep 17, 2012 - 10:12 AM.
klozhald wrote: astglenn,
The Bimare Javelin?
Overall the boat is light, but the masts are really long.
The Javelin 16 has a nearly 30 foot mast with spreaders.
Even though its carbon, its still three stories long, and pre-loaded with halyards and blocks galore.• length: 4.95 m
• beam: 2.30 m
• Total sail area: 25 m2
• maximum draft: 0,95 m
• minimum draft: 0,17 m
• Mast length: 9,0 m
• weight: 100 kgOne of the local guys has a Bimare 18HT.
He used to own a P 19, and says the HT is a rocket.
If you get the 16, we wanna see pictures from your helmet-mounted GoPro!Edited by klozhald on Sep 17, 2012 - 10:12 AM.
It is the 18 HT. I think it stands for "Holy Toledo" or "Horny Torpedo" something like that. Err Hi Tech! Yea thats it! I know, the mast IS long. I believe it is about 45 lb. I am also looking into the A cat platform. From what one A cat guy has said, it is about as simple as it gets in terms of rigging hassles. It gets in the water fast, it hauls boodie in 10 knt of wind and it is all great. The big hassle I am seeing is finding one that is worth having at the 6,000 -ish range. Most I have seen, and that aint many, are between 11-14K. I am likely willing to spend 11 large, I would just be in my happy place at 6-ish. The performance takes a pretty good hit at my 225lb ballast figure. If I compare the Portsmouth (whatever they represent) numbers, when the A cat hits the > 200lb crew weights, the numbers go up from a 64 to about 70 I believe. If I could work that in and just keep the H-18 for those days where everyone I know is not watching the bugs boink, or watching sports, It would be good enough.
If it is one boat, then I still believe the 18-2 to scratch the broadest patch of itch. At least that is what I think. What I know, well that is not much. I kind of subscribe to the "its all fun finding out, buy it well and sell it if it sucks" school of thought.
More than anything else, I want a single handed, single rigged, ass hauling, machine. And lunch with Jennifer Aniston would be grand as well. Who do I speak to about that?
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There is a P18-2 for sale for $2850 not far from me here in MO........ :-O
turbohobo wrote: There is a P18-2 for sale for $2850 not far from me here in MO........ :-O
I hear MO is nice in the early fall?