Best F16 for 1-up?
Or, just get a tapeworm. Eat what you want, sit around all day and lose weight!
You laugh, but this product (yes, it was distributed commercially) was actually for sale in the not-too-distant past as a
natural
weight loss program.
I don't believe tapeworms are especially dangerous, especially with the over-consumption of vitamin supplements we 'mericans are fond of...
And guess what?
It WORKS!
Until you hit bottom on a fast reach that is!
Lot of data based on one regatta here, that was sailed in mostly light airs and the single-wire in-between conditions where the deep boards have proven to be most effective. It's hard to justify $2400 for a pair of long boards when the existing boards are already 5 long. I would have an easier time with it if I could still use the short boards but on the Infusion they went narrower chord on the long boards so its not much of an option. West River is awful shallow and we touch bottom once a week usually with the short N20 boards...digging a $1200 board in the muck isn't my idea of fun.
I just measured my Blade board, the chord is only 8 inches, not 10. The new Falcon long boards are the same chord, so they slide right in, and only cost $800....each, but they were 'used' boards (ie. not brand new).
Yikes! I'd better be good all year so Santa will bring me some next Christmas!
How much does a Hobie 16 cost again?? Or a Wave? Kenny Pierce is racing the Waves now, good competition there!
What excuse # was that one?
I've got plenty of excuses! Listen to Jake at 2:00: http:/
My car ran out of gas, I had a flat tire...
It wasn't my fault!!

Hi all,
long time no F16 post. Somebody mentioned I might find this post of interest, Deja-Vu perhaps <img src="<>/crazy.gif" alt="crazy" title="crazy" height="15" width="15" />. Interesting to see many of the same old crew still here <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />.
What is the best design for F16 one up? <img src="<>/confused.gif" alt="confused" title="confused" height="15" width="15" />
Mosquito if you are 75kg or less <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />
But seriously, despite what the manafacturers might say, I believe to have a chance of beating 2 up F16s in a variety of conditions, a optimised platform is neccessary <img src="<>/shocked.gif" alt="shocked" title="shocked" height="15" width="15" /> , something like a short 'A' but fatter, or a skinny Blade etc. and minimum weight hulls and mast is essential. <img src="<>/shocked.gif" alt="shocked" title="shocked" height="15" width="15" />
The fastest F16 I have sailed upwind was
Altered
with minimal volume it cut through waves and a minimum weight mast it didn't hobby horse upwind <img src="<>/cool.gif" alt="cool" title="cool" height="15" width="15" /> , which I found a problem on the Blade with the Superwing mast, the bow rose over the waves and started the rocking motion, which the mast continued <img src="<>/frown.gif" alt="frown" title="frown" height="15" width="15" /> . Downwind on
Altered
it was a different matter, with the lack of volume leading to nosediving and beam slapping in waves <img src="<>/blush.gif" alt="blush" title="blush" height="15" width="15" /> . But the Blades volume at the front can cause trouble down wind as well, again rising over waves and setting up a rocking motion that caused rear beam slapping, that threw the bow down into the troughs causing nose diving <img src="<>/sick.gif" alt="sick" title="sick" height="15" width="15" /> .
So my theory is the happy medium has to be somewhere in between, with plenty of freeboard and clearance under the beams, as it is hard for one person to move around quickly and change the trim, when they are steering and sheeting the spinnaker. Hopefully we will see it one day, but not for me, I am too light and too old <img src="<>/whistle.gif" alt="whistle" title="whistle" height="15" width="15" />. But seriously a one up F16 has to be a big mans boat, I found F16 one up most succesful when I was 90kg plus. <img src="<>/cool.gif" alt="cool" title="cool" height="15" width="15" />
On the subject of Pole length, I reckon up to .5m less than max is ok, thats what I had on
Altered
and it balanced really well. My theory is the two up needs longer pole partly to keep more spinnaker clear of the jib.
Thats my thoughts anyway, now I will just crawl back under my Mosquito rock <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />.
I happen to hover between 69 and 70 kg (depending on what my wife cooked that day 🙂 and I'm considering a Mosquito (or maybe a Shadow X,) for my next boat purchase. Either way, I would be the only person in the area, and possibly in the country, to own one, but I'm more interested in being able to handle the boat well than class racing.
That said, I finally got my Taipan fixed up and back on the water today (sans spinnaker.) The shakedown cruise was in an average 11 kn wind which was ramping up while I was out. I really do like the boat.
I have yet to successfully right her when I have capsized which makes me nervous about going very far. I think the shorter, lighter mast of a Mosi or Shadow would help with that.
Best part about today's sail... I didn't break anything! 🙂
Hi Daniel,
would love to see another Mossie in the US, certainly it would be easier to handle than a Taipan for a guy your size and easier to right after a capsize, as long as you seal the mast (the mast section we use in OZ is very light and a metre shorter than a Taipan).
But that said, some Aussie Taipan sailors are quite succesful at 70ish KG not to sure of just how light, but not sure how they go righting them after capsize.
Was helping do some rigging at the club yesterday. It's clear some of the newer boats (Viper, Falcon) are really setup for 2-up sailing, vs. the older boats (Taipan). The fastest single handed F16 in our club is the Taipan, and he's usually the fastest F16. Meticulous boat setup with complete emphasis on a clean tramp and the KISS principle. Getting distracted by the latest high tech widget, hull shape etc. isn't going to beat the team focusing on time on the water and crew work.
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