Read on Darren Bundocks Twitter: “Took line honours sailing the Viper F16 in the Botany Bay Marathon. Smashed all the F18's and bigger boats. Great race in 18 knts.”
Does anyone know something more about the Botany Bay Classic?
Pictures of Darren sailing the F16?
Pictures or it didn't happen.
That is %^#@# right !
I want to see that before I believe it.
Wouter
According to Bundy his girlfriend (Carolijn Brouwer) finished 1st overall on handicap on a Taipan 4.9.
That is %^#@# right !
I want to see that before I believe it.
Wouter
Do you think Darren would need to make up a statement like that, Or could we just say it happened.
I have it on very good authority it did happen and they both had a blast
The course had a lot of reaching in it, That's why the taipan went so well
Nope we need proof.
Your authoritar is not enough.
Pictures would really be nice. Any time F16s kick butt I want to revel in it.
It happened.... they where on my boat!!!
Andrew Williamson was crew.
Sweet! <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />
To be fair, its like giving Micheal Schumacher a vw golf and Mr Magoo a F1 racer... guess who is going to win?
Bundy is a hell of sailor, good luck catching him in anything he sails!
True, but look at it from this perspective :
what if mr D. did not win while sailing the Viper F16 ?
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I'm quite sure that the cause for it would have been laid solely at the craft and not mr. D.
Therefore I'm very pleased with this result. It may be just another proof of how capable the F16's are in skilled hands, but still much more preferable over the alternative !
Not to mention that the F16 network has just been expanded with a very famous sailor. That can only have positive effects in the long run.
Wouter
Results are online so it must have hppened . <img src="<>/cool.gif" alt="cool" title="cool" height="15" width="15" />
Kurnell Catamaran Botany Bay Classic Results
I just saw that Steve Brewin sailed his A-cat in the bouy race section of the event; I call that equal competition to Brouwer and Bundy !
Besides Brouwer was sailing against Bundy as they were on different boats. Interesting detail is that Brouwer sailed with Eggl who is Andrew Williams girlfriend. A bit incestious these crew combinations ! <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />
Excellent video's by the way of these crews doing the rump on the C2 F18 and Viper F16 !
Great development for the F16 class !
Much thanks to whoever arranged for this !
I'm a believer now !
Wouter
Excellent. Moving pictures. I'm a believer now too. Great for the f16 class especially here in Australia.
Question is, if Bundy was on a C2, whould he have been quicker. Bundy is a hell of a sailor. The Viper is also a hell of a boat but I would imagine the C2 would be quicker again, but not by much. Good to see Bundy having a play on the Viper. Would love to see more sailors on them.
Saw the Goodalls (Viper) up against the Brewins (Capricorn) at forster a few years ago. Racing was very close between them with the Cap taking hounours each time. Greg's comments were
there is not a lot in it, but the F18s are still a bit quicker.
So you have begun to study metaphysics. If Bundy was on the C2 and the Viper at the same time, which Bundy would prove faster: That is your question.. Only solution is to put him in Schrödinger's box and set him adrift. He will still be faster but not for long <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />
I'll go and do some more boatbuilding..
Lets expand this experiment and also introduce a Viper that is build at minimal F16 weight (minus 20 kg) ! Maybe that would be enough to fully equalize things ?
But no matter the outcome, even the fact that there is very little in it is an excellent result. Afterall the Cap and C2 were/are the most developped F18's at the time. Back then (race against Brewins) the Viper was still a prototype.
Wouter
all seems very futile.. Yes I know its all about feeling good..
BUT
We aren't competing for F18 sailors.. We have our own niche.. Lets remember that..
I'll go and do some more boatbuilding..
Nice double there Rolf......
But would THAT cat fit in that box....
BUT
We aren't competing for F18 sailors.. We have our own niche.. Lets remember that..
Totally agree.
I disagree strongly on this, there is a real crossover of the lighter F18 crews to the F16. Many of the lighter crews struggle with the heavy launching and recovery as well as being over canvassed in a small blow, they would enjoy their sailing more in the lighter, less canvassed boats and would probably spend more time on the water because of this. There is no real downside as the handicap rating is similar so just as fast.
In my opinion the F16 should rate the same as the F18 in both forms, single and twin handed, it would mean all crews could race on an equal basis whether they are light, heavy, female or single handed. It would mean bigger regattas and more fun for all concerned.
I disagree strongly on this, there is a real crossover of the lighter F18 crews to the F16. Many of the lighter crews struggle with the heavy launching and recovery as well as being over canvassed in a small blow, they would enjoy their sailing more in the lighter, less canvassed boats and would probably spend more time on the water because of this. There is no real downside as the handicap rating is similar so just as fast.
In my opinion the F16 should rate the same as the F18 in both forms, single and twin handed, it would mean all crews could race on an equal basis whether they are light, heavy, female or single handed. It would mean bigger regattas and more fun for all concerned.
Just because boats have the same number DOES NOT make them equal. It's just a number and we all know how flawed handicap numbers are.
So to put it in your terms, are you saying the F16 and F18's should or shouldn't have the same handicap ?
I have to agree with you David - I've found that in mixed fleet racing, F16s and F18s are not far off each other but the F18 does seem to have the upper hand in most windspeeds.
A well sailed F16 can hang with a comparable F18 on manouvreability and the fact that it does seem to accelerate quicker, but once up to speed the F18 will usually pull away until the next manouvre or mark rounding.
Round the complete course there's very little to choose between the two though as just one mistake by either can decide the eventual winner.
I agree with Dave, and there is no substitute for a second set of hands at the sets and takedowns. There is no way the F16 Uni should be rated the same as an F18, maybe only in very light wind, but anytime trapping is involved, no way they are equal.
I disagree strongly on this, there is a real crossover of the lighter F18 crews to the F16. Many of the lighter crews struggle with the heavy launching and recovery as well as being over canvassed in a small blow, they would enjoy their sailing more in the lighter, less canvassed boats and would probably spend more time on the water because of this. There is no real downside as the handicap rating is similar so just as fast.
In my opinion the F16 should rate the same as the F18 in both forms, single and twin handed, it would mean all crews could race on an equal basis whether they are light, heavy, female or single handed. It would mean bigger regattas and more fun for all concerned.
+1 You forgot to mention that every thing revolves around $! so I'd throw the A class in that mix.
We need to push this class, it's a winner!
Listen, I'm not at all interested in the handicap numbers game, that is not my preferred form of racing.
My point is the F16 fleet should focus on the F16 fleet, to say the F16 and F18 should race as the same fleet is flawed. What it sounds like to me is you want some kind of box rule that supports 1-up, 2-up, 16 feet, 18 feet, significantly differnt minimum platform weights (depending on the configuration), and minimum crew weights that are applied to some configurations not applied to others... come on guys this can't be your end game.
Firstly, If the F18s have a fleet, they are not going to let the F16s play with them. They don't need them.
Secondly, this is the first class I have heard off that are arguing to have their rating increased (reflect the boat is faster). If you believe it is a gift rating compared to an A or F18, you are a fool to ague agaist this advantage. No other class will.
It only sounds like little brother syndrome and nothing else. The F16 class is better than that.
<img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" /> We're doing just fine.
Secondly, this is the first class I have heard off that are arguing to have their rating increased (reflect the boat is faster). If you believe it is a gift rating compared to an A or F18, you are a fool to ague agaist this advantage. No other class will.
It only sounds like little brother syndrome and nothing else. The F16 class is better than that.
One F16s opinion that all F16s and F18s should carry the same rating does not represent the entire fleet. People are only stating the obvious in terms of relative performane. Yes, it is close but not the same.
Just the same as light F18 teams might find a better fit on an F16, heavy F16 teams might find a better fit on the F18. No need to bash one fleet or the other.