First day racing saw 4 races in slowly strengthening winds.
The F16 are included in the C1 Class.
fixed the link for you
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What a difference a talented crew makes !
The intermediate standings show
Carolijn Brouwer/Liz Wardley at 1st place overall with 4 bullets
Chris Sproat/Georgina Burke at 3rd place overall with 4th, 3rd, 3rd and 7th place.
Gill de Bruyne/Kathleen van den Bulcke at 8th overall with 14th, 8th, 8th and 8th placing
That in a fleet of 51 boats (that have completed at least one race). The results do already include one strike-out.
Of course things may change but the start is very good. I'm personally especially impressed by Gill and Kathleen.
Very well done to all !
Wouter
Great sailing yesterday at Carnac! Carolijn is very fast, it shows she's an olympic! In the last race we managed to get 2nd at the upwind mark (right behind a tornado) but then our spin halyard got stuck so we immediately lost 3 places 🙁 We finished this last lap as 5th over the line and on compensated time we got an 8th and that's our overall score for yesterday too. We are very pleased with the boat speed. Looking forward to tomorrow, with 4 BFT predicted it should be again a very cool sailing day!
The 2Bsailing all girl team on the Viper F16 set themselves a high goal for this years Carnac event (2010)
http:/
And I quote (29 april 2010):
Brouwer and Wardley have jumped at the chance to reunite on the water for a shot at creating history in the three-day Eurocat regatta in France from friday.
No all-female crew has ever won the Eurocat regatta,
said Brouwer ... we thought it would be fun to take on the boys at their own game for a change
The final result for this year Carnac in the C1 fleet is as follows.
1st Carolijn Brouwer / Liz Wardley Viper F16 - 7 points total : 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st 2nd, 1st, 3rd (one strike-out)
2nd Chris Sproat / Georgina Burke Viper F16 - 14 points total : 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 7th, 1st, 2nd, 1st
3rd Adam Butler / Nikki Boniface Spitfire - 24 points total : 5th, 4th, 6th, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 2nd
4th Gildas Griziaux / Frederique Leaute Viper F16 - 26 points : 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 7th, 5th, 20th
5th Phillipe Thareau / Claire Berranger Viper F16 - 34 points in total : 7th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, DNF, 4th, 11th
...
9th Gill de Bruyne / Kathleen van den Bulcke Falcon F16 - 57 points total : 14th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 15th, 7th, 12th
That means all 5 F16's have ended up in the top 10 (4 F16's in the top 5 !) of a competitive 54 boats racing fleet; with Brouwer/Wardley achieving what they set out to do.
I say
Mission Accomplished
for the all girl team Brouwer/Wardley !
congrats to all crews..
For more pictures of all classes go to :
http://www.littoral-ouest-photos.co...
and for the final result listing (without boat types) go to :
http:/
The other 2Bsailing team of Darren Bundock and Will Howden finished at 2nd place over in the 110 boat strong F18 fleet. Mischa Heemskerk and Bastiaan Tentij snatching 1st spot with only 1 point difference.
1st Mischa Heemskerk / Bastiaan Tentij 14 points : 3rd, 1st, bfd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 4th, 1st
2nd Darren Bundock / Will Howden 15 points : 1st, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 3rd
3rd Mitch Booth / Pim Nieuwenhuis 29 points : 5th, 7th, 1st, 43th, 4th, 5th, 3rd, 4th
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A very good start for 2Bsailing I say.
Wouter
Indeed congratulations to all crews and many thanks for putting F16 on the map in France in such a fashion !
Wouter
Impressive!
Just curious.... What handicap was the Viper sailing under?
The 104 or F16 or the Viper???
The 104 or F16 or the Viper???
Viper Handicap I assume.
Yeah that is most likely the case.
BTW; just as additional info to interested readers
SCHRS Viper Double 1.035
SCHRS Formula 16 1.008 (rating used by the Falcon F16)
SCHRS Spitfire standard 1.044
SCHRS Spitfire Sport 1.038
The rating difference between the Viper F16 and say the Falcon F16 is 2.68 points or 96 second per full hour of bouy racing.
The new Spitfire Sport has a slightly larger mainsail (from 15,41 to 15.58 sq.mtr) and a larger spinnaker (From 17.60 to 19.20 sq. mtr.). By rating this difference (between the two Spitfire versions) results in only 0.58 points or 21 seconds per full hour of racing. The rating difference between the Viper F16 and Spitfire (both versions) are respectively 0.87 points = 31 sec/hour and 0.29 points = 10 sec/hour
The differences are rather small.
Wouter
Ok...
I'm going to play devils advocate...
Would that have changed the standings if they would have used the F16 rating?
Again, just playing devils advocate....
Mike
Congratualtions to all the F16 sailors.
I think the Falcon F16 was the fastest rated boat in the whole fleet so the position of Gill and Kathleen can only improve if different handicap is used.
Other then that I think the 5 bullets in 7 races by Carolijn and Liz sort of suggests that they didn't depend to much on their handicap number. Chris and Georgina are always fast (high scores) no matter on what boat type they are so same reasoning there I guess.
We may find that things would turn out only slightly different under F16 ratings as most boats in the top 10 are Viper F16's and would all get the same mods, thus leaving their relative placings unaffected.
Personally, I don't see the 3rd place Spitfire with 24 points jump to second place (at 14 points); the gap seems to big for that.
Wouter
We'll, we just got home from the event and here is a short report: http:/
Concerning the Vipers, they sailed the 104 rating, but as Wouter says the results wouldn't haven't been that different with the other rating. In three of the races we finished before some of the Vipers and were rated behind. Not different enough to change the result though.
Anyway I find it a pity for the class that there was only one F16 there officially, being us on the Falcon, but I guess none of the owners had a certificate to race as F16.
We we had a great time and I hope to see MORE F16 next year!
Gill
Well done Mate. The new boat must go very well. Good report as well. Whats next for you guys?
Another good report:
FEMALE
LIGHTWEIGHTS
CREATE HISTORY IN SEASON OPENER
http:/
Gill
Barely 120 kilo dripping wet, the catamaran lightweights excelled in a variety of conditions to claim the 16-foot division
( B2 blurb )
And that is the problem for handicap systems, penalise the light boats but make no allowance for the very light weight crew, something SCHRS should be capable of dealing with relatively easily <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
I personally think they were actually DISADVANTAGED at 120 kg on a F16.
As such there is no need to penalized them further.
Wouter
Wayne,
I think adding weight as factor to the handicap system would make things very complicated.
The most easiest would be to add a minimum weight for every make and type of boat which is still impossible to do to my opinion.
(But I understand your reasoning, Carolijn weighed the same as we did (boat+crew) but had a more favourable rating).
Anyway, on the first day, where the lighter crews had the advantage on us we did best, on the second day with more wind we did worse...
If I'm correct, the A-cat don't have minimum weight and they race at a very high level of competition on boats where the crewweight has a lot more impact on the total weight then on the F16, so I see no reason to complicate things.
Actually I think the boat weight has little to do with the winning, the nut on the tiller does that better than saving 10 or 20 kilos any where on the boat itself. IMO if the boat is well designed ( as it would appear the new generation Viper and Falcon etc are )and has enough volume then it can handle a wide range of weights and if the mast and depowering ability is well designed, also a wide range of wind. I just sort of feel that AHPC should be a little more honest and not cherry pick the better handicap when it suits.
My biggest
beef
has always been the handicap given to the single handers, its obvious that the single hander will be slower around the course than the crewed boat as very often you need 3 - 4 hands, no single hander will beat a well crewed boat even in light winds on the handicap dissadvantage they are given. Now that is something that the handicap formulaes need to address.
At my club, the single handers often race with the jib on as well, it does equalise things up a bit, perhaps we could make the jib optional for the single handers ?
In open class racing the choice to do so is left to the owner. In class racing we already have a sufficient solution, i.e. we race first in wins (no faster handicap for the singlehander) which in my opinion is fair.
Wouter
It's not AHPC that makes the decision, it's the sailors....Yes, I know they are dealers, but a lot of people would take the slower rating because it's racing and they take every advantage they can get in a race like that. People on this forum have said that.
However, if it were me(and I own a Viper and I sail mostly singlehanded) I would do the F16 rating....Cause, that's the class I'm trying to promote. But, I'm slow anyway, so it wouldn't matter what I was rated at.
So, it again comes down to the sailor!
Mike
Who's racing with a jib Wayne? I know nobody that does except for Tom who did it a couple of times on his Dart 16 so he can try to avoid being lapped. And he recently bought a Shadow, so that's it <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
Not so much in recent years, but Dave an Nigel did run the jib fairly regulalry when the wind was lightish.
Tom did a horizon job on us on Wednesday night, two of the legs were virtual beam reaches and we couldn't quite hold the spinny on either of the legs where as he could. He will be difficult to beat on handicap this year as most of the evening racing are triangles.
Bitsa seems on the pace with all the F16 / FX1 swapping places along the way.
I can play that game as I have a secret weapon: the monster overlapping Stealth
R
Jib. This thing is huge, and not really F16 class legal...
I've used it Saturday with my 8 year old on the tiller to lap every other boat on the Saturday racing series. Granted, we were the only multihull and the only spinnaker boat, that helped too. My son was proud, first time he's helming a cat.
I'm still looking for any evidence F16 exists in Europe. As there was no F16 division at Eurocat only the C1. So the boats entered as Vipers. There was a F18 division so I entered my boat as a F18 not a C2.
We are trying to get a F16 fleet at the North Sea Regatta and only need what I thought was a very small number of 10 entries but so far we have only 2 boats interested. Special thank you to Gill and Kathleen De Bruyne and their Falcon for trying to get F16 active.
The only evidence that the F16 fleet is active is on a forum but not on the water.
We want F16, as we like the concept but the F16 Class needs to help itself and become active.
If you can get a F16 division at a regatta we will race as F16. No question.
Sorry for the self promotion but you may be interested in the footage http:/
Cheers
Bundy
Nice video. Congratulations to all.
Minimum weight for an A-Cat is 75kg. The rules started without any weight limitation, but later a min. weight was added.
Anyway (boat) weight is overrated and often used as excuse.
The result is an excellent advertise for the sailors and I hope ISAF wakes up and realises that a cat (or at least some classes) allows mixed teams without disadvantage.
Cheers,
Klaus