RaceCat RC-16

David

One thing is to read about things like

This F16 has no boom, spreaders, etc

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look at that sail

or whatever when we are offering a recreational boat.

I've answered to those all misleading concepts in a good manner (as we've never pretend in a first stage to offer an F16)

But when I've read your really offensive comment was too much abuse to take in a an international forum for free.

After taking your abuse there you have the photo again that was replaced for your photo as I couldn´t believed I was taking s from that sailor, sorry about that.

For that modification was made by my cousin who builds wakeboard boats and owns the boatyard (now he´s an Catamaran addict as pictures shows) and he pretended to give his personal touch, with a Regal boats like bottom form, as is was not going to interfere with performance I leave him do it.

Don´t get me wrong, I'm always getting feedback and I can absorv any critic, but in a constructive way. You can even tell

that piece of S**

that I'm would take no offense, but talking Falkands was too low.

So guys, to end this topic: If we want to be part of the F16 project will contact you, as I did in 2005 with the F18 class, we are the only ones promoting High Performance cats in South America.

In our site you can read in Spanish description for the boat:

Pensado para el mercado de recreación. Sin foque, sin orzas, sin complicaciones...

Thought for the recreational market, Without jib, no daggers, no extra worries

But surely we designed the platform thinking in the class that´s why we wrote a small

1st F16 LA

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Our 16 is pure fun now, when we'll upgrade the rig you'll get the photos and videos.

Here you have a closer look to that mark and good proof of rails working good.

Cheers

Gentlemen, you read WAY too much into my comment.

1) I thought the hole in the hull looked like a torpedo tube. It does! And the idea of arming a beach cat is funny and has been a parody before. Remember the On the Wire E-Zine about the anti-PWC rockets? Silly and funny, as was the torpedo tube idea.

2) The very brief 19-word reference to an old navel conflict was in jest, meant to laugh at the silly armed beachcat idea. If you won't allow a bittersweet laugh at a long-past and unfortunate war you will drown in your grief. The U.S.government provides its citizens with an endless supply stupid wars that we regret and can gently joke about after 25+ years.

No politics nor offense was intended. The hole in the hull is odd and looks like an outer torpedo tube . That's it. And that's still funny.

You all need to lighten up a bit. Go sailing.

Again I say, no politics nor offense was intended.

Martin,

I think that your 16ft hull design is really interesting! I think I can see what you are trying to achieve with the concave stern underside and the 'sprayrail'. I think it's fascinating to see peeople trying different ideas on these boats and only head-to-head testing will show us what works and what possibly doesn't.

You say the all up weight of the RC16 is 140Kg? Have you actually weighed it or is that a 'calculated' weight? If you put a full F16 rig on the boat with the associated jib track and fittings plus spin gear, we're looking at what? an extra 15Kg perhaps? - that's a pretty hefty F16 at 155Kg! Are there any opportunities for weight saving in the platform?

I'm just thinking that with the external stiffening offered by the spray rail there may be the chance to reduce the hull layup further? It would be really cool to get a boardless F16 that is under say 120Kg or even closer to the minimum of 107Kg for a sloop F16.... <img src=

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To me it resembles the Dart 16, a roto molded recreational boat, because of the spray rails. Can you post a picture Dermot?

What I tried to achieve is more 'track' and a better flow to maximize the lower performance of daggerless hull.

Exactly, only head to head testing will tell us how good this extreme shape is doing.

As for now, the boat is really palanning in high winds and drag is being greatly reduced in lower ones, just look at the picture took from backwards.

I'm calculating over, but remember that we are using coremat to reduce costs.

You´re right again, all the way sprayrails, gives a 'T' shape to hull sidewards, making it a lot more stronger, add that we've have a 'curved' deck and you´re talking about one of the better structural shapes possible for a cat.

The boat is not heavy at all indeed, and I´ve wrote before, we are using heavy profiles for masts and beams.

Regarding design:
Lead by Sebastien Magnen comments on a better structural curved bow design (he owns a Dart Hawk back in France) I've studied the Hawk , the Spitfire and its predecessor the Dart 16 itself, but the lines are 100% original as the prototype and current production hull (no nodification at all till now) was issued from our F18 orignal hull mold(Designed from scratch with Tornado, Bulogne's Cirrus, and J Valer Tiger as models)

I also noted the use of Srayrails in several new cat designs, as the Alinghi for ie. Some research and pictures proved me that they were really functional, more here with our short breaking waves.

In fact I almost applied the channels and concaves to the F18 desing in July 2005 but it was too much for a 1st boat.

This past winter due to demand for a recreational and more afforadable boat I spent some months cad designing and shaping myself the 16 prototype.

As here we have muddy waters and short breaking waves conditions I´ve never thought of and inverted bow design. Also our most distinctive feature is great volume, we have almost 70cm freeboard for the F18 and 62cm aprox for the 16. We need high beams and extra flotation here.

Till now we proved right with these extra volumes as we are having huge margin to 'attack' in a reach or with Spi, or getting out of incredible pitch pole situations, just take a look to this spi F18 video at after the flag footage, any other cat would have go down. I was getting better with Spi at that time, in fact was my 1st time with 20knots winds, so is full credit to the hulls that we've didn´t pitch pole hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K3bSBHO0Kc rarely offshore winds and persistent non breaking waves that day.

So that´s the story behind our designs, 'torpedo tube' included, but hey, always some crazy guys are innovating, let see how far channels and concaves get in cat designs.

As Martin says, both the Spitfire and the Dart 16 have the spray rails.
Someone else can find photos - I'm relaxing, sipping a little drop of Red, just back from a rugby international match in Croke Park where Ireland have just barely beaten Italy. Now that's the same Croke Park where Ireland absolutely hammered England last year - in retribution for a massacre in 1922, in the same Croke Park, where England ......... nobody has longer memories that the Irish <img src=

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Nice! Well our biggest Football game is tomorrow, 6pm east coast time, New England Patriots vs. the New York Giants. Should be a good game, I'll be into the Guinness for sure! <img src=

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From what I can remember I enjoyed a certain Rugby match yesterday. Wales beating the old enemy England.
Cymru am Byth (Wales Forever)

Watched it last night - England had it easy, until Wales woke up and came right back. Brilliant ! Of course we have to play them in a few weeks <img src=

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Hey, how's that Brains Beer? Sounds like it might lead to a loss of a few cells! <img src=

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They have a great variety of beers in the UK. We only have a few in Ireland. Stick to the Guinness <img src=

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A miserable afternoon in Dublin - we are settling down to watch the Scotland - France game (played in Scotland) on TV now. Enjoy your game later - with the Guinness <img src=

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Thanks Dermot, by halftime I should have -Beer Brains-! <img src=

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Watched the Shamrocks play the Wallabies at my local park last year.... It was good to see a northern hemisphere side stand up down under even if it was for only 10 minutes of the first half.. <img src=

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what would be good would be have the tri-nations expand to be the quad-nations... Boks, Blacks, Wallabies, Pumas... Actually sounds like the perfect world cup semi finals!! <img src=

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The Pumas really need some top level international competition to slot into.. About time IRU did something!!

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Mark as you well know, we in England have to make a handicap for ourselves to then bring out the best in us, not sure why we do that but I would guess that the recent WC where Wales lost badly to some pretty low order teams and for England to go onto the final would sort of say it all.

Back to the RC-16, Coremat is its weight handicap, you will never get a light boat using Coremat but you will get cheap production and a very strong structure. I'm sure the moulds could be adapted very easily to make full Carbon foam Kevlar core but it would come at a cost of labour and material expense which would then lower the weight but raise the price to a more European level ( Stealth ) <img src=

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Didn´t want to reply about rugby as we already some have fireworks here! but Pumas should play six nations, as all our players are up there in Europe, if not, at least let them play for the country of their respective clubs <img src=

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Regarding costs I've exhange some mails with Greg Goodall last year and I agree with him that the F16 should maintain them low to have a succesfull class as the F18.

For weight we can apply same Divinycell sandwich core as our F18.

The Viper is around 125kg so we can be there as well. But we´re not modifying the hull to adapt daggers yet, although it can be 'easily' done with current mould.

They have applied for the 6 (7) Nations. But in the meantime we are very happy to have Felipe in Leinster <img src=

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It was a great game to watch but -my team- lost in the final 36 seconds when the other team scored on an incredible drive down the field. Oh well, there's always Next Year!

Just curious if there has been any more progress on the boat?

Just to show some progress of our 1st 16 delivered with racing rig, new rudders and castings, selft tack, spreaders etc

Launched last weekend but I sailed her yesterday.
Quite lively and responsive sailing comparing with the F18.
Is like going from Tornado to F18 feeling.

Not fully F16 as we put an 8mt mast and no dagger, but the concept has catched up, and sales of the 16 already equals F18 and we project to double them this season, for sure we will have a 16 class too along the F18.

But I'm reluctant to call her an F16, just 50cm short on mast... jje

Cheers,
Martin

P.S: Main sheet is not correctly set, but I want to show the pics anyway.
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Martin,
Nice to see some other designs coming along. Looks like a very interesting design. Best of luck!

I'm absolutely convinced that a boardless and slightly simplied F16 (like the RC16) can be a hot ticket sales wise !

So well done, hope to see more of it in the future !

Wouter

I agree, well done, I hope it all goes well for you, and we start to see some of your boats around the place.

Tony