If the class is worth something this will never happen. Look at the windsurfing or the minitransat, they started as something fun, simple and affordable to everyone, and they are not dead today only out of reach without sponsors…
Since the tunnel has not been mentioned in this thread I would gather that the tunnel is more expensive than ferries to get across the Channel?
Well done Mary, I've just looked at their website and it was £200 pound cheaper than a P&O Ferry (Harwich to Hook).
When we used to go to Texel we always took the freight ferries as they were cheaper with a trailer, from Harwich to Hook i think stena has a freight ferry.
Gareth
I think there is only a freight ferry. The slow Stena thing is 95% trucks. The fast thing is a mix, but is pretty much the same price as an overnight ferry + accommodation (which is compulsory for the overnight ones). The day-time crossing times of the slow one are hopeless.
I took the overnight ferry in September. Came to £500 return including cabin (work paid <img src=
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Going via Calais is cheaper - I've found the ferry to be cheaper than the tunnel with trailer - but there's a reasonable drive on the other side. A reasonable way to do it would be to get a late ferry/tunnel crossing, find a Formule 1 near Calais (all of £20 for a room) and finish the journey in the morning.
(edit: Mark - you said P&O - did you mean that? I thought that only Stena did Harwich -> Hook)
(edit: Oh yeah, one of the less well-known advantages of the F16 class is that packed sensibly, they'll fit inside the 6m trailer length bracket on the ferries...)
Paul
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... and any further delay is now down to me. I'll get it on the site shortly.
Paul
As you can see I have budgeted quite a lot for accommodation, food and drink etc and this figure could be reduced if I slept in the van or tent but as for cooking (the wife wouldn't be coming).
I think that's probably a bit keen - I reckon I could do accommodation + food in one of the Schiphol 5-stars for that. Mind you, not sure I could fund that performance enhancing drug that you seem so keen on <img src=
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The only meal I've had in Zandvoort was a decent pizza coming to all of EUR9, so I reckon it should be possible to do on a sensible budget.
I'm sure that Hans can provide some suggestions for accommodation.
Paul
Another cost saver.
Pack two F16's on one trailer.
Wouter
I think some people are making some very negative comparisons concerning costs.
The entry-fee for Eurocat at Carnac is more expensive (for 3 days. Maybe 6 laps and 1 long-distance if you're lucky.) then the entry-fee of the GC.
Entry-fee of Texel ... + ferry to the island !
We also have 1 or 2 day events in Belgium that already cost half the price or more then the GC.
Next to that I must say that you always have to take a lot of extra costs into account if you're going abroad to sail.
I think it's even better to have 6 days of sailing instead of 4 because the major costs (transportation/accomodation)will be exactly the same.
Last thing, I'm guessing to pay € 30 for a hotelroom/night + breakfast. add € 65 to eat+expense/day and you'll be around € 100/day * 7 = € 700 (+/- £ 500 ?).
(What about hiring a big appartment with a couple of teams to reduce costs ?)
I wasn't making comparisons when I posted my original thread. But now you've come to mention it there can be no comparison between Carnac and GC. Carnac and Texel etc are in a league of their own attracting some of the largest Cat fleets and the best Cat sailors in the World, GC isn't.
What you say about the duration of the event I would agree with but the GC has included 3 measuring days one of which is also includes an invitational race or do they mean practice race?
Lastly, No way could you do B&B in an ordinary seaside hotel here in the UK and then keep going through out the day on £66 or 100 euros. I didn't realise things were so cheap in Holland.
Mate,
I think no matter what you do your going to run foul of ISAF!
I think no matter what you do your going to run foul of ISAF!
Doubt it.
The Cherubs ran a
Inter galactic champs
a few years ago when they wanted to run a worlds, but could not use that name.
... for the guys that travelled the longest distance?
In some classes the two teams that travelled them most km get a serious refound. Partition is everything!
Inter galactic champs
a few years ago when they wanted to run a worlds, but could not use that name.
Also could not use the name
Global.
back then ISAF weren't as aggressive...
Hope your correct but if ISAF decide were bad boys.. Then all will lose their ISAF status...
doesnt ISAF also own
global
along with
International
?
National
is owned by the member entity...
Not sure havent looked in a few years... Should be in the rule book,.....
They don't own anything !
They just try to make your life really difficult if you don't do what they want you to do. They can't go after the organisation but they will go after the sailors that did your event and exclude them for life with respect to ISAF sanctioned events.
It is a racket scheme.
Wouter
agreed... But if they go after the sailors that means every sailor is excluded form any other ISAF approved event... State, National and international events.
Not an issue for non ranked sailors.. BUT a huge issue if a ranked crew sails... Imagine what the fuss would be if the Holland T team sailed and was scrubbed at the olympics because they sailed at the event... Possible yes it has happened.. probable dont know...
If I was a ranked sailor I definately would think 4 times before attending....
Not an issue for non ranked sailors.. BUT a huge issue if a ranked crew sails... Imagine what the fuss would be if the Holland T team sailed and was scrubbed at the olympics because they sailed at the event... Possible yes it has happened.. probable dont know...
If I was a ranked sailor I definately would think 4 times before attending....
It's not just ranked sailors, it is anyone with a ISAF sailing number. I have one and so do (to a certain extent) have to be carefull.
Simon please check your mail box
Hans, We never managed to make contact again last night. I will be on Skype for about 30 minutes
I was asked about alternative camping sites to the Zandvoort event. Now I'm not down with the tourist info of this area but I don remembered a camping site a little outside of the town of zandvoort.
It is the camping site vogelenzang and their prices seen very reasonable.
(look under the header :
Toeristische plaatsen
)
http:/
This site is about 8 km from the sailclub and that is a 30 min bike ride. I actually live that far from the club myself and cycle to it quite a few times to the club per year. The bike path you'll take from this site goes through a naturpark and the dunes and so it should be a very pleasant ride. Otherwise you can take your car and do about 8 km (by a different route) that way.
Best will be of course if more crews are at this site and you all share one vehicle. Car parking for the whole day just behind the club (100 mm walk) is 6 euro's. 7 days times 6 euro's will be 42 Euro's of car parking for the whole event.
The camping site itself is part of an area that is very much like the nature park itself and very pretty. It often reminds me of England and I do like it myself alot.
Maybe some of you want to check this alternative our further.
Wouter
Is there an other measurer in the Netherlands besides P.Saarberg ?
Mirjam,
You can let the boat be measured by any official
watersportverbonds
measurer who is using the F16 measurement form. A sample of this form will be available on the F16 website very soon. If you need more information please contact me and i will help you further with this.