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(@andyh)
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I've heard that some top sailors don't like the gybing boards and have

bogged

them in the wells so that they don't gybe. Also, the trailing edge of my boards are getting chewed up from normal use. I suspect that the slop may be causing my problems. Any comments or solutions?


 
Posted : November 7, 2008 2:12 pm
(@Anonymous 39745)
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I'm also really interested in this.


 
Posted : November 9, 2008 2:32 pm
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They are not really gybing boards, more like twisting boards.
Since they stiffened up the boards after the early ones were a bit brittle, they do not seem to twist like as much.
With the 1st set that I had, I could really feel an odd lifting sensation once you got them locked in [mostly on flat water] - not so with the newer ones.


 
Posted : November 16, 2008 9:14 am
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Andy
I noticed one of the Infusions at Weston Sailing Club having it's slots filled recently, the owner told me that 'all the top guys are doing it' so there is probably something in what you say. Where are you based btw?
Paul - did you notice your failing boards when your fancy dancy gadget trapeze adjuster dropped you in the drink on that calm day at Pevensey? I've never seen a crew looked so scared and I can still hear her screams today......


 
Posted : November 16, 2008 2:45 pm
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Are they being fixed straight with the hulls or at an angle inboard or outboard.


 
Posted : November 16, 2008 6:25 pm
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Adrian
One minute you are cruising along and the next it all goes blue/green and bubbly! About 20 meters from the finish too!
I am pleased to say that nacra upgraded the adjusters after that.
I try not to remember the screaming that day - like something from silence of the lambs, but it was the last time I WON some bloody thing too!


 
Posted : November 17, 2008 3:52 am
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Guys. Honestly, what do we mean by

gybing

boards and

lifting sensation

. A-cat thinking? Ncik's comment is highly relevant. Do they tilt the boards inwards? If so, how much?

Btw. We've only had the

new

boards that are told to be more stiff. No lifting feeling there.

Recent news is that Nacra is from this even moment customising boards for every boat they deliver. This reason is told to be that certain boats have been delivered with boards that don't fit very well. I'm wondering if any tilting is made simultanously.

cheers,
jonas


 
Posted : November 22, 2008 4:26 am
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Originally Posted by ncik
Are they being fixed straight with the hulls or at an angle inboard or outboard.

I'm not sure, next time I speak with Grant I'll ask him and let you know.


 
Posted : November 22, 2008 6:27 am
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If you turn the boat on its side and put the board in, as you push down on it, it will rock on the knuckle in the slot opening so that the leading edge stays where it is but the trailing edge will move to leeward.
This is well demostrated by the handsome bloke in the yachts and yachting test on the nacra europe website.
the movement is only slight at the exit from the hull, but because the board stays fixed at the top of the hull, it is in effect twisting with a greater angle of attack at the tip.
This angle of attack creates lift to windward.
No need to raise the windward board because it is doing the same.
The downside is that you will get more twist on a windy day when you perhaps want less.
i wish that I had kept my old boards and use the new ones on windy days.


 
Posted : November 22, 2008 1:19 pm
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...so that the leading edge stays where it is but the trailing edge will move to leeward.

Shouldn't that be the other way around? Leading edge moves and trailing edge is fixed.
http://www.nacraeurope.com/download.php?fileid=10

Centre of area/pressure should be forward of vertical pivot point of a gybing board.

Gybing boards on 505's explained.

http://www.int505.org/gybecb.htm


 
Posted : November 23, 2008 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by ncik

Shouldn't that be the other way around?

Exactly. I'm still lost.


 
Posted : November 24, 2008 1:05 pm
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Ok the leading edge does come to windward a little too.


 
Posted : November 25, 2008 6:49 am
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Grant has had our boards filled in as thats what all the top boys do, as the lift they give is not worth it. Or sumthing like that.

Another thing to do with the infusions is to sikaflex the bungs on as they they stop that leaking.

I'll ask Grant tomorow.


 
Posted : November 25, 2008 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by NacraKid
Grant has had our boards filled in as thats what all the top boys do, as the lift they give is not worth it. Or sumthing like that.

Another thing to do with the infusions is to sikaflex the bungs on as they they stop that leaking.

I'll ask Grant tomorow.

Translation, please... R


 
Posted : November 26, 2008 10:12 am
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What do u want translated??


 
Posted : November 26, 2008 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by NacraKid
What do u want translated??

sikaflex the bungs

I know what a bung is, what is sikaflex... a 5200 like product?

Nevermind, Google is king.

http://www.ellsworth.com/sikaflex.html?gclid=CPq9pLywk5cCFQhdswodhzMbnw


 
Posted : November 26, 2008 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by NacraKid
has had our boards filled in as thats what all the top boys do,

Have you had (a) boards filled or (b) slots filled so that edges cannot move as originally planned by Nacra? Pictures please.

Thanks.


 
Posted : November 26, 2008 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by NacraKid
What do u want translated??

sikaflex the bungs

I know what a bung is, what is sikaflex... a 5200 like product?

Nevermind, Google is king.

http://www.ellsworth.com/sikaflex.html?gclid=CPq9pLywk5cCFQhdswodhzMbnw

Sikaflex, ummm dunno wat a 5200 product is, but wat i do know is that sikaflex is black or white sticky (and very messy) watertight like glue. It stops ur bungs leaking.


 
Posted : November 26, 2008 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by JFR
Originally Posted by NacraKid
has had our boards filled in as thats what all the top boys do,

Have you had (a) boards filled or (b) slots filled so that edges cannot move as originally planned by Nacra? Pictures please.

Thanks.

Slots filled in so boards dont orignaly move as planned. adding some thickness to the boards would ruin thier shape.


 
Posted : November 26, 2008 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by NacraKid
would ruin thier shape.

yes but not where it matters


 
Posted : November 27, 2008 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by JFR
Originally Posted by NacraKid
would ruin thier shape.

yes but not where it matters

Yes where matters as you would have to reshape the boards below bottom of the hull to stop the gybin motion downhill


 
Posted : November 27, 2008 5:32 pm
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Doesn't the Capricorn has gybing dagger-boards, too?


 
Posted : December 29, 2008 2:03 pm
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Yes


 
Posted : December 30, 2008 5:49 am
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... and, being a Capricorn-owner since two months, do I have to worry about this subject, too?


 
Posted : December 31, 2008 11:29 am
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no


 
Posted : January 1, 2009 5:25 am
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what are you guys using to fill in the board slots and how ?

Thanks


 
Posted : May 25, 2009 9:22 pm
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Just bog, like normal filler.


 
Posted : May 26, 2009 12:36 pm
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