Yes , I raced the Worrell 1000 in 87 , there were several custom boats with wings . Some were 10 ft on each side 
If you do the math a 200 LB crew * 10 ft = 2,000 ft lbs of added leverage .
A better example of the type of wings we may be talking about are found on the older Hobie 21s . We raced those in 1988 in PROSAIL and the ULTIMATE YACHT RACE EVENTS , at locations around the country , prize money , TV etc ,it was great fun .
The H-21 wings plugged into the hulls and were really great to sit on and much easier to trap out of , it was easier to get horizontal and use all your weight to advantage . The wings also made excellent spin block locations further outboard for more open sheeting angles between mast and spin.
Mystere also made a series of optional wings and racks for its cat line . I don't currently see them though -
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A team in latter Worrell race built foldable racks , the problem was they would fold up at the wrong time as you tryed to get out on them . Perhaps why we don't see foldable racks .
2 ft added to a 8.5 ft beam cat would equalize overall I think give hull weight etc . Let me know what you think .
If any has more specific questions on wings or racks ,or earlier 1000 mile cat design innovations please just ask , always enjoy talking cat design concepts .
enjoy 
--happy sailing
Carl
Rolf,
). "Cat's with wings, flying mandatory".. Ok, I'll put a leash on my sense of humour from now on!Was there any cats with wings or racks in the 'experimental' Worrel races?
Simon, as far as I can understand racks aren't that bad an idea. Yes, the racks will add a bit more weight compared to 4 more feet of beam extrusions (or carbon, what do I know what people will build). What's important tough is the righting moment (RM).
A 10 foot wide cat will have an advantage in RM as hull weight comes 1 foot further out. A typical hull will perhaps weight around 35-40Kg's (??), so this is not a large advantage. Another point is that the axis for heel is a bit further out on a 10 foot wide boat compared to an 8 foot wide one. But by adding a 2foot rack on each side, you are able to move your bodyweight out just as far as the 10 foot wide boat and this is what's most important. In addition, the boat with rack's have the mast further to leeward, which gives a better weightarm for your creweight. (I haven't done the math, so I might be totally off and wrong). In addition, the 8 foot wide boat can get up on one hull earlier, which gives about 20% less drag and better windward abilities with the "new" hullshapes..
(Ok, now I have really done it. Talked myself into actually liking the tought of a 8 wide boat with racks)
I think your envelope is a bit to wide and expensive, we will probably not have much success in building such a class (it becomes to expensive and time intensive for most). Loosing the jib is probably not a good move for a distance racer, but might be smart in a pure upwind/downwind machine.
I had the same opinion as you earlier on, but after spending some time on it and receiving comments from others I have reconsidered. Now I think it's sensible to stay within the B-class envelope, limit mast height to 9.5 meters, weight to min. 140 kg's and 50 square meters of sailarea max. There is still plenty of room for experimentation if someone wants to tinker with their boat.
Dave, I think the current 20 footers are to heavy. I recieved some opinions in a PM, and one of the major philosophies lined out there was that minimum weight for a class should be based on a set of plywood hulls. I think thats a very good idea, as plywood hulls are something everybody with the inclination can build at home during winter. And if it can be buildt in plywood, manufacturers can achieve the same properties with composites. The stellar example is the Taipan4.9 class where timber boats are just as competitive as glass/epoxy boats.
Sorry, I assumed eveyone had read my comments elsewhere regarding the righting moment issues of wings
as for your comments re getting the hull up ealier; surely people will just move to balannce the boat and so the hull comes up a the same point 
Wings also add windage/spray barriers
Carl,
I expect this has already been looked at but a boat with 2.5m beam and 700mm wings would be roughly equivalent in righting moments to a boat with 3.1m beam provided both boat's hulls weighed 30kg ea and had a 170kg of crew.
I like the idea of foldable wings.
I think they can be built quite light and as they can fold they can stay on the boat. If the fixed wings are anything like the ones on the Hobie 17 the wing design I was working on a few years back would be much lighter. Although the wings fold they would only fold up when you wanted them to. This would be achieved in the hinging mechanism. Pushing open the folded wing will unlock the folded out wing and fold it up at the same time.
Just playing around with some ideas hence my desire to get first hand info from someone who has used them.
Regards,
Phill
Folks,
If you were building a set of wings you could exend the wings past the back of the boat. At the end of the wings build in posiions for your feet. Better than trying to find a foothold on the rudder casting.
Would that make the downwinds an exciting spectacle, particularly the nose dives.
Maybe we could create the catamaran version of the 18ft skiff and chase TV coverage.
The wings need not be all that expensive. They could easily be made from carbon by anyone who was willing to give it a go. They would be folding and probably not weigh much more than 3 or 4 kgs ea.
It could be a lot of fun.
Regards,
Phill
Simon, I dont think I have read what you wrote about wings earlier. Do you have a link?
Spray, yes. But thats a question of designs. As it is, we get quite a bit of spray and slamming from our aft-beams. With a new design, beams can be raised to avoid this and I am quite sure there will be some creative thinking about wings/spray/drag along the same lines as well.
When going to windward, it's my experience that almost nobody move around the boat to balance on one hull. There is some crew-movement in light winds, but after that most stay put on the windward hull or work on trapeezing (some hiking also perhaps). We did try sailing to windward while we moved about to balance the boat on one hull, but stopped as we were really slow. I guess moving about took to much concentration away from steering and trimming sails. We could not move fast enough to use small puffs either, but had to luff or dump power.
Spray, yes. But thats a question of designs. As it is, we get quite a bit of spray and slamming from our aft-beams. With a new design, beams can be raised to avoid this and I am quite sure there will be some creative thinking about wings/spray/drag along the same lines as well.
When going to windward, it's my experience that almost nobody move around the boat to balance on one hull. There is some crew-movement in light winds, but after that most stay put on the windward hull or work on trapeezing (some hiking also perhaps). We did try sailing to windward while we moved about to balance the boat on one hull, but stopped as we were really slow. I guess moving about took to much concentration away from steering and trimming sails. We could not move fast enough to use small puffs either, but had to luff or dump power.
It was in the F16 forum so you may not have seen it here
Thank you Simon.
I just re-read the thread, and as for righting moment it makes sense to me. I think the discussion omitted the point that a narrow boat will be able to fly a hull at lower windspeed tough.
Simon,
The point you make about the leeward wing acting aainst the righting moments is true unless it folds up. An additional consideraion is the windward hull is closer to the pivot on winged boat and this needs to be taken into account when dimensioning the wings. For the specific example I was using it amounts to the wing being 100mm longer. I have not done the numbers for a Tornado because the hulls are heavier than 30kg but it would be more like 150mm wider ie. 750mm wings on 2.5m wide platform to get the same outcome.
I would not consider wings unless they folded up and
the windage can be minimised in their design.
Regards,
Phill
The point you make about the leeward wing acting aainst the righting moments is true unless it folds up. An additional consideraion is the windward hull is closer to the pivot on winged boat and this needs to be taken into account when dimensioning the wings. For the specific example I was using it amounts to the wing being 100mm longer. I have not done the numbers for a Tornado because the hulls are heavier than 30kg but it would be more like 150mm wider ie. 750mm wings on 2.5m wide platform to get the same outcome.
I would not consider wings unless they folded up and
the windage can be minimised in their design.
Regards,
Phill
Ok, maybe make them 755mm (OK I'm splitting hairs now) to account for the fact the mast is now 300mm more to leaward so you also loose a bit there and you now have the same righting moment as a 10 foot (3.1m) wide boat. BUT there is still the assumption that you can build the swing up wings for the same weight as 600mm from the front beam and 600mm back beam which I think you will be pushing very hard to do.
I looked at this a while back (when Carbon was V expensive) and decided it could not be justified. But now with the reduced cost, it might be worth it. (but then why not just go for Carbon beams!)
Making the wings swing has to happen; however as soon as you do this you then need to make sure that when they are down they stay down and locked fore/aft. Now this can be done, but adds some weight and/or string.
One very positive side in IMO is that you whould be able to design the wings in such a way as to be able to get the weight a little further back.
I still think there is a fair way to go yet with wing systems before we get any real gains.
Windage will always be a problem - more so than the front beam? - I'm not qualified to say. But the spray catching is a real problem even when the wings are in the up position - consider those times when you've had the bows under, the front beam under and some of the mainsail talking to the fishes too, would you really want some wing in there too (The wing MUST be attached / form part of the front beam as you'll want to get the weight forward too)
Simon,
It all depends on the design of both the wings and the hulls. Also how the wings attach and pivot to fold up.
While I agree with many of your points I think there is a fair chance the right design could solve or significanlty minimise the possible drawbacks.
I think a well designed 20ft winged boat would have the convenience of a smaller beamed boat yet should also be a more comfortable, more exciting and therefore more enjoyable boat to sail.
The way I see it, you never really know until you give it a go.
Regards,
Phill