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2003 Worrell 1000 - an ugly subject revisited...

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Jake Kohl
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Mary,
I dont know what the arrangement was between Bimare and Mike Worrell, but purpose build HT's were shipped to the US for the Worrell. These boats were beefed up specifically for the race. The press release said that Bimare had nothing to do with the event being cancelled. I believe that Bimare was acting in good faith and sent a couple of containers full of HT's and then Mike cancelled. The boats were later used for the Alter Cup and the ICCT. I think sail #25-45 are the Worrell built boats.

Bill Vining

I thought I remembered some time prior to the event being formally cancelled that there was a lot of concern because the Bimare boats had not yet left Italy and it was going to be nearly impossible to get them to Florida in time.


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 8:24 am
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Jake,
Yes, you are right, Bimare built the boats but didnt ship them because Mike had not made a payment by the agreed upon date. Bimare had built the boats and was ready to ship them, but waiting for Mike to hold up his end of the agreement.

Some of the beefed up HT's were sold to racers and arrived prior to that shipment, the next shipment was the Alter Cup boats - the boats built for the Worrell, but used for the Alter Cup.

Bill


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 11:57 am
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Correct me if I'm wrong BUT the way I remember it :

Alter Cup 2003 as held in april 2003

Worrell 1000 2003 was to start at may 4th 2003

Alter Cup 2004 was held on Hobie 16's

So : "The boats were later used for the Alter Cup and the ICCT. I think sail #25-45 are the Worrell built boats."

Is nonsense. The boats were first used for the Alter cup and than supposed to be used for the Worrell.

With regard to the ICCT (2003 - 2004). I think only 4 were ever used there. Sailnumbers suggest that these were the Alter Cup boats that were never sold, with the possible exception of the Gunboat.

Correct me again if I'm wrong but were more than 10 boats used in the Alter Cup 2003 ?

Rick White wrote at the time :

"Tomorrow (Sunday) there will be practice races and each team will get to sail the boats two times (there are 20 teams and only 10 boats). "

Source : http://www.catsailor.com/Stories_Temp/2003AlterCup.html#PreRaceStuff

So why would bimare produce sailnumbers #25 to #45 for the Alter Cup ? That would simple make no sense. Bimare is in it to earn money not to give boats aways. If only 10 boats were used then it would be unlikely that 20 were produced.

One explaination might be that the Alter cup boats were only issued odd numbers, for what reason I can only guess.

I spoke to a European team that wanted to do the Worrell 2003 about the cancellation of this event, he is a fellow sailclub member, and his comments prefectly line up along those from Mary, Jake and some other sources. (And no I will not identify them). It was not difficult to recognise a trend.

Even more so I think there are more people out there that "know".

To make things absolutely clear I think the press release that describe the Bimare company as fully in the clear is a correct one. They did what was the only senseble thing to do. On the other hand, blaming everything on Mike may well not be.

What was the saying again.

"Succes has many fathers but failure is always an orphan"

I say the woman who bore the unwanted child probably knew more than 1 "father".

Than the statement of :"sent a couple of containers full of HT's and then Mike cancelled"

Well yes, without getting into juicy details I often wondered one thing. If all these containers were send and the sailnumbers are right (45 boats ?) than why didn't the Worrell 1000 just go ahead but on a smaller budget ? What is the worse that could happen. The things that really costed alot of money were already here (45 * 10.000 = 450.000 US Dollars !). They had to be sold no matter what happened. Cancelling the Worrell would never have solved this issue in any way. Rather, having the worrell 1000 with them would most likely have made selling them alot easier. The costs of running the event would never approach this 450.000 US$ investment. Round Texel, including the week long preceding Dutch open is run on a budget of 350.000 Euro's. And here they need to cater for 500 boats + crews and tens of sponsors. No, the smart thing to do would have been to contact all the teams inform them of a change of plan because a sponsor dropped out, decide to go low budget from them onwards + cancellation of the price. The show must go on ! Theaters have survived set backs like this for centuries and lived through them. There is always a way. The teams would have accepted it when the alternative was no race at all. And it would have worked, afterall the Tybee 500 + OBX 500 were probably done for a similar tight budget. It would have worked unless something absolutely critical was not available. I wonder what that could be ?

Sometimes it is best if the truth is told by the class itself. Truth has a nasty habit of finding daylight on its own accord. Better pre-empt that. You may not have much time left.

So lets start by explaining the difference between Ricks comments and the Alter cup 2003 sailnumbers.

Wouter


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 12:13 pm
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Wouter

Bimare and Mike Worrell were in dicussions over these charter boats for some time. The fact that the AC was held in April and the Worrell was scheduled in May has no bearing on the fact that the boats were being build in advance, teams were buying them well in advance and Mike and Bimare had a payment agreement well in advance. Mike defaulted at some point in the Spring of 2003.

When the Worrell began breaking down, the Alter Cup opportunity came up (Spring 2003) and since the boats were available, Bimare sent them.

Yes, 10 boats were used for the 2003 AC. That was the agreed upon format. Why would they be purposely made beefier for the AC? They weren't, they were made beefier for the Worrell, but used for the 2003 AC.

Yes - Sail #25-45 were Worrell built, so they are built beefier. Only 10 of these were used for the 2003 Alter Cup and 4 for the 2003 ICCT. Some of the 25-45 were privately owned at that time (Spring 2003). Privately owned HT's were used for the 2004 ICCT.

The sail # in the US are sequential. #13 was skipped.

Your statement about continuing on the Worrell just because the boats were available is ridiculous. Who was supposed to put the event on? Bimare? The class? come on Wouter, that is a silly thing to suggest. Its a huge job to run a 1000 mile race.

And your assumption that 45 boats were available (Spring 2003) is also incorrect. 1-25 or so were privately owned at the time. Some were owned by teams practicing for the Worrell, some were owned by non Worrell racers, some were in the hands of the importer, but who really cares?

The real question is why you have such a hard on for the HT class?

Bill


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 1:53 pm
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No, the smart thing to do would have been to contact all the teams inform them of a change of plan because a sponsor dropped out, decide to go low budget from them onwards + cancellation of the price. The show must go on ! Theaters have survived set backs like this for centuries and lived through them. There is always a way. The teams would have accepted it when the alternative was no race at all. And it would have worked, afterall the Tybee 500 + OBX 500 were probably done for a similar tight budget. It would have worked unless something absolutely critical was not available. I wonder what that could be ?

No...not me if I had paid a $5000 entry fee. I wouldn't compete based on principle alone. Knowing that my money, handed over in good faith, went towards things other than what it was supposed to would have kept me from further supporting the event. Also remember that the Tybee 500 started up that year (could they smell the end?) and gave the racers an alternative.


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 2:17 pm
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Frank, thanks for staying on top of this.

SteveT, if MW is so easy to contact, why not give him a call and tell him to visit this forum?

Wouter, your accusations and insinuations are out of line. Your cowardly post doesn't deserve a response.


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 3:02 pm
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$180,000.

Having gone along with the race for five years,
1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 & 2002...

I find it particularly difficult to understand
how anyone would have signed up for the 2003
race.

The simple fact that the 2002 event was run was
a miracle - if not for the backroom dealings
between MW and a local Va. Beach businessman, the
"helicopter bill fiasco" would have been this race's
swan song!

$5,000 For a Boat, Transportation and 2 Hotel Rooms
for the entire race? Mary - You are ALL OVER IT!

My question is = In those five years - there is NO
WAY
that this man could have possibly spent $180,000
combined, if he then had NO expense (No race) for 2003...

Mike, Where is the Money?


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 3:06 pm
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"45 * 10.000 = 450.000" should read "20 * 10.000 = 200.000" and so on.

Of course not all of those 45 boats were owned by Worrell teams.

Wouter


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 4:22 pm
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My question is = In those five years - there is NO
WAY that this man could have possibly spent $180,000

Don't forget, this race was his livelyhood. Over five years that's a pretty modest salary. But the tale of how MW handled his business affairs is much more complex than just the 2003 race. No one will ever know where the money really went, not even MW.


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 7:38 pm
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****.

I bet you a second case of your favorite beer that the "big sponsor that fell through" is complete nonsense. This is a beach catamaran race we're talking about, not NASCAR. If he had a sponsor, he would of and should of said who the sponsor was to get some credibility back with the entrants. His silence admits it all - the sponsor was only a dream.

Many good, very well intended people do very bad...very illegal acts when they need something...Stealing is a very natural and self preserving act when you need money to pay your personal bills.

Obviously, the 2003 Worrell entrants helped Mike get through a tough time. Our $180k pulled him through and kept him and the wife fed for a few months.

It is interesting to note that the federal bankruptcy courts in Virginia don't list Coastal or Worrell Inc. or Mike Worrell. So at least we kept the deadbeat from total and complete bankruptcy. At the very least he could call each team and thank us for the $5,000.00 "gifts."

Whoops, I mean "income" to Mike Worrell. I'm sure that Mr. Worrell filed the appropriate tax returns with the State of Virginia and the IRS in 2002 and 2003 to reflect the $180k in income.

Please forgive my rant, but for God's sake try to be intellectually honest and keep the bleeding heart theories to yourself.

Thanks,


 
Posted : November 22, 2004 8:46 pm
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