Climate Change? Yea right, todays house pic...

Are you concerned with Cascading System Failures Todd? Of course you aren't.

Population reduction (to save the world) also the basic plotline of Dan Brown's (The DaVinci Code) latest book, Inferno. It's an OK read - kind of typical Dan Brown / Robert Langdon story.

Even if global warming isn't a man made problem, reducing pollution cant hurt.
Just look at the mess China is in, not looking forward to wearing a gas mask when going out the door:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/chinas-toxic-sky/100449/

There are some companies who are making an effort to reduce CO2 emissions, like Apple which uses a lot of renewable power for its datacenters.
Something not everyone is too happy about: http://mashable.com/2014/02/28/apple-ceo-tim-cook-climate-change/

Personally I think the technology that comes out of the sustainability problem is amazing, like this concept car that runs on salt water:

http://www.nanoflowcell.com/

I would agree with you there, while I am not convinced that climate change is a man-made problem, we certainly could do much more on an Individual level to reduce pollution overall. Reducing our consumption of junk, trash and disposable materials would go a long ways in reducing pollution from manufacturing these things or pollution from throwing them in the dump.

I think the challenges to changing behavior are severalfold:

- results of current conservation activities will likely not be seen in our lifetime
- costs are generally higher (because most current behavior is subsidized - like fuel or landfills)
- you're asking people to reduce consumption which flies in the face of every dollar spent on advertising in the world (which is probably some go-zillion dollars)

So, despite our supreme intelligence we're still behaving like a virus.

Also, isn't the top tier of any food chain the most likely to go extinct? Lions, raptors, dinosaur, etc?

I'll say. Life expectancy in the EU was in the low 20's. Yikes! (ref here)

The other gotcha with going Amish on a large scale is a biggie: Methane. All those horses and cows aren't going to be greenhouse neutral.

End of the day, there is no free lunch. Do the best you can to live efficiently and move on.

Is average global temperature increasing? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums... in_GISS_annual_temperature_anomalies.gif

Is Sea ice melting? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/naam-ice-07.jpg

Are glaciers melting? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/glacier_mass_loss2.gif

Is CO2 concentrations rising? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/mlo_record.png

Is Sea level rising? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums... 4acb285d2790483afcbbb2ed130ceb2ccf9e.jpg

Are oceans warming? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/ocean_heat_content.gif

Is this uncommon? No. These same occurrences have been happening for millions of years, long before humans.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/vostok_temp1.gif

Debate the cause, not the facts.

Climate change

is real,

global warming

(see the chart) is real. It happened before humans, it will happen after human. It's a common ocurance.

Another interesting perspective on

climate change

can come from Antarctica's history and plate tectonics.

Antarctica was once covered by 1,000s of square miles of dense hardwood forest. When it became isolated from it's separation from south America, a dominant circumpolar current formed around it. The current prevented warm air and water from flowing pole-ward (think of a force field). As a result, Antarctica began to cool and ice started to form. This promoted a positive feedback loop (run away effect) in which the more ice that formed, the more light (IR) was reflected back to space, causing it to cool further. Now that sea ice is melting, there is less surface area to reflect light and more ocean surface to absorb heat. So now, we have a positive feedback in the opposite direction. This is why polar regions are warming fast than other regions on Earth.

Now think about how

climate

would have

changed

when the Atlantic ocean didn't exist (Pangaea- Think Gulf Stream) or when India was not apart of the Eurasian continent. The rain shadow north of the Himalaya's has caused vast desert-land on what is known as the Tibet Plateau.

And Vegas has bin WARMER than normal .
So i could go the Other way .
What was the title of this Thread once again ??

Re: Climate Change? Yea right, todays house pic...
with a picture of your snow covered house .

OMG ,i think there may be a lack of cognitive thinking
here...

Yes :

Nut-case

!!

Bille

The facts..... plain and simple....

no political input / no biased greeny tree hugger BS / no redneck cwap /....

just ALL the facts & presented so that everyone can understand

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI&feature=relmfu

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8&feature=relmfu

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY&feature=fvwrel

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno

Now you can decide

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Coffee is the canary in the coal mine.

I had you all wrong Todd. You and the teabaggers are scholars.

Nonsense is nonsense, but the history of nonsense is scholarship.

As part of his scholarship, Proctor says he

watches Fox News all the time.

Cultural production of ignorance provides rich field for study[/b]

What can you do individually?
recycle everything you can

Grow a garden

Compost your food trash

build a sistern or water catchment to water your garden

dont plant a yardful of grass, naturalize your yard limiting the amount of gas operated lawn equipment and watering you will have to do.

Keep it going, what other smart ideas do you have? we can debate global warming all day, but we could turn this post into a productive one with some good ideas just as easy

I recycle because I'm a cheapskate. I know my taxes are paying wages over at the recycle center, so I send everything I can over there to keep them busy.

We've got the single container recycle program, so I'm sure that they're busy sorting out all the stuff I pack in my 65 gallon container. What stinks is they don't want styrofoam (egg containers, etc) or anything with food on it (hello?) Good thing I have a dog to clean up my food wrappers before recycling <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />

+2

NICE ; + 1 more !!

Your last line was the Best ; i think the climate-change
guys would have a Better argument, if they just stayed
with the prospect that the earth would be better off without
pollution in the air & water, (Humans would live Longer) if
we made some changes !!

Bille

http://www.raingutterprosinc.com/

I read somewhere recently that a business owner in Salt Lake City was fined for capturing rain water from the roof of the business and used to supplement his water needs but couldn't find any more info. In searching, however, I did find this link above. Kudos to LA for doing the right thing here.
The new construction of my house will include rain water collection and storage to be used for all toilet flushing and washing. I lived in the USVI back in the 90's and my house/hut had a water collection system with a systern under the house. No matter what end of the political spectrum each of us likes to categorize ourselves, I'm sure we all agree on taking care of the environment.

Wrong link, sorry.

the radio recently reported that Las Vegas (outside the strip) was the most water efficient city in US, re-purposing almost 94% of its water.

Of course, Florida was the least water efficient state. It amazed the engineers that the state gets an average of 4 feet of rainfall annually, but we still have lawn watering, and Miami / Palm beach and Tampa/Clearwater are often in severe water restrictions.

But, at least the water management district has plans for more water storage. I believe their latest plan involves some 14,000 acres on the Caloosahatchee to be turned into a shallow lake for water to be used during the dry season.

Folks, I'd just like to share this 'selfie' from Wind Lake, in Wind Lake WI. I took yesterday. The Ice is still about 2.5 feet think:

This spot is about 25 miles SW of Milwaukee WI.

Thanks, and I agree Dave. I didn't intend it to bet into a pissing match about 'climate change'. I was only pointing out that in the Midwest, are having a colder than average winter.
Yes, climate changes, it always has, and it always will.

Isn't that a Black Helicopter in the background?

or a 777 ?

Back on Maui for awhile. They still have a long way to go here for recycling. Still no paper and cardboard recovery. Finally got plastic, can, and glass pick up but requires different containers. They have a lot to do, compared to Seattle. You would think people living on an Island would do a better job.

Hey 1616, any ideas on how to improve? Are they still shipping garbage to Oregon, via barge?

Huge Wave in Pacific Ocean About to Hit West Coast Will Have Global Impacts

An enormous wave now centered at 500 feet deep along the equator south of Hawaii is silently moving below the surface towards the west coast of the Americas.
This wave, called a Kelvin wave, took four years to build. It has just started to breach the surface. It is so large that it has substantially raised the height of the sea surface for thousands of miles along the equator in the central Pacific ocean. As it pushes towards the west coast it will impact global ocean currents and weather.

Stronger than normal trade winds drove water westward in the equatorial Pacific ocean, building a large deep pool of exceptionally warm water in the western Pacific ocean. The height of the sea surface is normally about 0.5m (about one and a half feet) higher in the western Pacific than the eastern Pacific at the equator because of the warm pool. This is part of a normal cycle in the ocean that, according to climate models, has been amplified by warming by greenhouse gases produced by human activities. Four years is unusually long in this normal cycle, allowing more time to develop an exceptionally large, deep pool of warm water. Sea level was about 4 inches higher than normal before it began moving east.

The speeding up of the trade winds over the past 15 years has deepened the warm pool leading to the development of stronger and stronger November typhoons in the Philippines. Typhoon Haiyan, which devastated the Philippines this November, was the strongest typhoon in Philippine history and in contention for the strongest recorded on earth. Its explosive development was enabled by the deep warm pool.

This January very intense winter storms, fueled by outbreaks of Siberian air interacting with warmer than normal waters in the western Pacific, developed large westerly wind fields that reached deep into the tropics. These westerly winds unleashed the warm pool and it began moving east with the winds. When the west winds stopped, the sea surface height difference between the eastern and western Pacific continued to drive it east.

As the Kelvin wave and the warm pool moves east it warms the air over the central Pacific lowering the air pressure near Tahiti. At the same time, the water near Darwin Australia may cool a little as the warm pool moves away from its normal center near Indonesia. The air pressure rises are Darwin. The difference in air pressure, normalized for seasonal effects, between Tahiti and Darwin, called the Southern Oscillation Index has just turned significantly negative. If this trend continues, it will be the classic sign of a developing El Nino event.

Global models are now in agreement that an El Nino is beginning. The spring months are the hardest months to make El Nino forecasts, but the size and strength of the Kelvin wave is so great this time that the forecast is almost surely correct. This Kelvin wave is bigger and stronger than the one that led to the

super El Nino

of 1997 - 1998.

Your black helicopter picture PROVES global warming is FAKE,FAKE,FAKE! In fact, the glaciers are coming back--

Picture Proof!

--ICE IN HAWAII. I dare you prove my flawless logic is wrong.

Originally Posted by Tony_F18

OMG ;
Ya got a Great sense of Humor !!!!!!

Bille

You're abbsooolutelllyyyy right!! There is ice in Hawaii.

Oh No, the truth is starting to get out.....

Green Guru James Lovelock on Climate Change: ‘I don’t think anybody really knows what’s happening. They just guess’ – Lovelock Reverses Himself on Global Warming

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/04... lock-reverses-himself-on-global-warming/

Lovelock, on BBC TV, slams the global warming claims including those of of the United Nations climate panel. 'They just guess. And a whole group of them meet together and encourage each other’s guesses.'

Lovelock was once one of the leading voices of climate alarm. See: 2006 Climate Shocker: Lovelock Predicted Global Warming Doom: 'Billions of us will die; few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in Arctic'

Fast Forward to April 2012: ‘Gaia’ scientist James Lovelock reverses himself: I was ‘alarmist’ about climate change & so was Gore! ‘The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago’

Lovelock becomes UN IPCC's biggest critic: Green Guru Lovelock Slams UN IPCC & Greens: ‘Whenever UN puts its finger in it seems to become a mess’ — ‘The green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion’ -- James Lovelock: ''IPCC is too politicized & too internalized' -- On Green religion: 'I don't think people have noticed that, but it's got all the sort of terms that religions use. The greens use guilt. You can't win people round by saying they are guilty for putting CO2 in the air'