DoGzilla re-revealed today too!

That doesn't look ANYTHING like the original boat. I'd venture to say that that thing is BUTT UGLY.

Heh? It's almost the same as the original boat. Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that I guess.

What we don't know is if there is a second BMWO boat somewhere under construction (I believe it to be likely). I think it makes more sense to see a trimaran in a relatively square configuration as opposed to a catamaran.

I donno Jake, that boat is really different IMO. I don't know whether its the pictures that kiss it up or what - but those amas just look like they don't belong with that center hull.

A matter of opinion I suppose.

FWIW I loved the original DZ's looks.

Sure looks fragile! <img src="<>/shocked.gif" alt="shocked" title="shocked" height="15" width="15" /> What wind ranges will they be sailing in?

It is the opposite: the center hull is too short and shallow for the amas. maybe we should think of it as a streamlined central reinforcement strut.

Bingo. I bet they intend to be on one hull as much as possible.

whats it rate?

Looks pretty sleek to me now.

its growing on me. That birdseye view isn't flattering but some of the others look good.

Just to be clear: if they ask, you ARE willing to go out on a test ride?

Well, duh yeah.

Anybody notice the spar in the corner of the third pic!!! Whoa it's big.

So is AC going to Tri's now?

Doug

Wow where have you been?

Giant Tri vs. Giant Cat. Well, at least thats the way it looks now. Could change tomorrow.

Seems like the Tri would have a unfair advantage? Are is is just me? Kind of like when Connor had the cat against the mono.

Doug

Cat vs Dog! i love it

Ok, for all the engineers in the crowd, who will out-point who going upwind?

Cat or Tri?

And who will out-speed who going downwind?

Speculate away!

outside of the sheer awesomeness (damn near blinding) of these boats I think it will be completely lopsided and one will walk away from the other. Maybe one will dominate upwind and the other down so it will even things out. It ain't gonna be close I don't think.
I think the fastest downwind is who has the bigger balls to push it.

Oracle advantage is over 5 knots of wind. Alinghi advantage is under 5 knots of wind.

The new one is even larger. The original mast was about 4' from leading edge to trailing edge (and about 180' tall). The new one just came in last week and is reportedly about 6' from leading edge to trailing edge, has a better foil shape, and height is figured again around 180' or maybe a little more. Both teams are rumored to be working up rigid wings the size of a 747 wing.

For now BMWO is carrying about another 20 to 30' of mast than the Alinghi catamaran.

As for which one is going to be faster....I have no idea. They are definitely from two different design thoughts. The big sticky point right now is that the Alinghi catamaran has an engine on the back of it and it's figured that it's for a hydraulic assist on the winches...legal? dunno. The BMWO boat is all manual (although it does have hydralics on the stays for canting the rig, the pumps are controlled manually through the grinding stations).

Oracle advantage is over 5.4575 (+5.5425 -5.4575) knots of wind and Alinghi advantage is under 5.4575 (+5.5425 -5.4575) knots of wind.

Just kidding. The answer is 3.4
Really

I haven't been paying attention to all the

new rules

here, since things seem to change every month, but have they come up with a

minimum weight

rule? Do the two boats weigh nearly the same?

I think it would be hard to build a 90' tri (because of the 3rd hull) that weighs the same as a 90' cat, but who knows, maybe they did it?

Now, more speculation, if YOU could choose the driver, who would it be?

I choose Ashby for the cat and Smyth for the tri!

Surely its down to the best helmsman and crew.....isn't it????!!

My butt it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

There are no concrete (no pun intended) numbers on weights yet.

Just more rampant, baseless speculation <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />

but we love it.

There are no rules other than:

Limits on length on load water-line, beam at load water-line, extreme beam, and draught of water (with boards up) for Oracle.

Alinghi is just limited to length on load water-line.

Whether Alinghi can write SIs that allow for powered winches is unresolved.

Is this the correct rules document?
rules?
There seems to be wording in it that prohibits canting rigs, water ballast, and as for the motor, does 32.6(b) apply?
Do I have the correct rules document ? ?

ME! PICK ME! <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />

Ashby is already helping BMWO and has advised them on a couple of sail recuts that resulted in another 1.5knots of boat speed and he's contracted for more assistance in the near future. USA90 just pushed off from the dock and started hoisting what appears to be a new sail about an hour ago...now that didn't take them long to get from the tent to the water sailing with new hulls!

Jake, thank you for the data...

how the heck do you know all this???