GM vs. Ford vs. Chrysler vs. Imports

I'm the elitist?!

Wow reality does indeed escape you doesn't it Pete?

No,Tad, reality doesn't escape me. I'm not a communist, but I do speak to others the way they speak to me.

The logic to removing SUVs from the road is that they are a danger to others. Simple physics.

The removal of freedom is a danger to everyone. Simple Liberty.

Liberty is not license. You can't yell

fire!

in a movie theatre. You have no inherent right to put my life and liberty at risk.

My right to life and liberty are superior to your driving privilege.

And yet you can prove no directly correlation that any particular person driving an SUV is an imminent danger to your life.

If that was the case, every single hardware store would have to license a wood axe, chainsaw, or any other implement that could possibly be accidentally an implement of death.

Quite a slippery slope there Pete. You know that F16 could kill you if you flip over, hit your head and drown. I'm calling my Congressman and telling him that F16's are putting people's

lives and liberties at risk

.

After all, your right to life and liberty are superior to your sailing privilege right?

I love my Suburban. What other vehicle out there can take my family of six camping, with all of the gear?

Some rights are self evident. I can't prove a pig farm is an eye sore or health hazard, yet most municipalities would prevent building one in a residential neighborhood.

But, since you are so zealous a supporter of liberty, no doubt you would welcome a pig farm next door. How about a chemical plant, propane storage, or insecticide factory?

A family of six is a different matter than one person, hoping into the SUV, and running down to 7-11 for a Twinkie.

I arguably have worse - a race track. Every spring and fall - it opens up so loud that it sounds like they're racing on my street.

But you know what, it has a right to be there - according to the laws that were passed by the people that live here. I'm part of a group that is trying to get an ordinance passed that will erect a soundproof wall around the back stretch so when the LeMans cars are wide open, it doesn't sound like talledega in my house (Sorry Jack!). It also brings much needed revenue to my town and county so its a great benefit to the community so I'm not going to be a *ing

elitist

* that demands its closure. (There are people around here that want that believe it or not!)

So while you may try try to insult my values, I actually live by them Pete. YOu'd better find a better target to argue against because right now I'm beating my T-ball batting average.

Furthermore, while the SUV might endanger YOU if I smash into you on the road, its protecting ME more than a car of a smaller size!

Furthermore, while the SUV might endanger YOU if I smash into you on the road,. . .

I couldn't say it any better.

its protecting ME more than a car of a smaller size!

And reducing your need to drive safely. SUVs promote unsafe driving practices and you drive a lot!

My isuzu's lasted 315,000 miles, 225,000 miles and 125,000 miles respectively when I sold them.

You're a mence to society whose concept of safety comes down to one word,

ME

.

Your entire idea rests upon the assumption that I am an unsafe driver, and in the same breath, generalizing and stereotyping all SUV owners as unsafe drivers.

I thought Stereotyping was one of the 10 deadly sins of leftist communists Pete.

And while I certainly care about the man next to me, I'm not going to spare any expense to ensure the safety of ME and my family.

I'm almost out of popcorn, can you guys take 5 while I go make some more? <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />

Only if you bring me a beer when you come back <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />

I've got to drop off anyways... I've got to get off this teleconference that I'm on and actually go do work that will improve the lives of people with cancer.

. . .I am an unsafe driver,. . .

Pretty safe bet. Killed anyone...yet?

Karl, make a small batch. It's almost time for me to go to the gym.

I'm sure you're both nice guys, but SHUT THE [censored] UP! We don't have to turn every discussion into a left/right, liberal/conservative face off. Gheez; I thought you guys were just trading SA type, friendly insults.

BTW, I drive a Ford E150 van; have owned 4, all the but last one used. They work great for taking lots of gear and a family off on a vacation. They work great for loading sailing gear, just don't leave wet, salty gear in overnight...what a stink. I'd like to get a smaller car to drive to work, but when I compare the investment against gas money saved, I just don't get a good trade off. When money gets less tight, I might buy a cheaper car to go to work, but I'll have to keep the van for sailing.

David
A Cat and big cat

So how's the big boat doin'? Didn't you pick that up down here?

I will probably run the 347 in my '65 Mustang on E85. Very loud, high powered and environmentally friendly. Does that make me a con or lib?? I am so conflicted...

Mary, I want the Austin Heally 3000, the Jag XK-120, or the Datsun, then again, I wish I'd never sold the 'Early' (1957) Triumph TR-3 I had as a teenager!!!

I did, Pete; you and I also met on that TRT owned by Ned Christensen. Did you know he sailed that boat from Bulgaria to Florida? What a trip that must have been.

My TRT has been doing well in the Chesapeake except that we broke our dagger boards last summer and again this summer. This time I'm having Phil's Foils in Canada build proper new ones. I sent Phil a cross section of one of the remains and his comment was that they were a piece of crap. If you ever get up to the bay, get in touch with me and we'll try to go out on the boat. Doug Kirby also has a TRT in the Chesapeake, so we have 40% of the total US fleet here in the bay. <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />

David
A Cat and big cat

Did you mean NOT commie or elitist? What a difference a

not

makes.

What a great boat! I might take you up on it if I get up that way.

Any pix?

I know what you mean. My first car was a new MGA, and I traded that in three years later for an MGB, and now I wish I still had both of them. Hindsight.

I can't help myself, I measure ALL cars against the '65 MGB. What a great ride.

Mary, no wonder Rick wanted to date you! I can only guess what kind of car he was driving back then...or was he walking!

She was leaning on his truck and he thought wow she's cute.................................... yada yada, yada now we're all here.

No, back then he was driving a Cadillac and had an airplane. I didn't really get to know him until he quit the

good life

and became a hippie. I saw potential, though, and have spent the last 30 years trying to renovate him and make him a conservative. Here is the result of my efforts:

I would presume we all have a

right

to do what we want, until it infringes on someone else's

right

... right?

So who's

right

is more

right

?

How about left-handers?

Wow, beautiful car Mary, you sure had your work cut out for you though! A friend of mine from High School (Russel P. Merril the 3rd) restored a similar car. I think his was a 1926 Model A (or is it a T?)

roadster

, a two seater, it looked just like that one, with the hand crank start (my job), gas lever and spark advance lever on the steering column, 3 pedals on the floor for 1st gear(down) and 2nd(up), Reverse and brakes. His had the wooden spoke wheels though.

After we graduated HS, we took a week's vacation and drove it from Hampton Falls, NH, up old route 1, all the way to Bahh Hahbahh, or for the rest of you, Bar Harbor.

You should have seen all the traffic stacked up behind us as we tried to make it up some of those hills...at about 20mph! Not Happy! But we had a great trip, camped out most of the time, and the old thing never broke down! His dad was into restoring old Model A's and T's, their family had about 3-4 of them and always drove them in the parades. Great fun!

Don't confuse rights with privileges. You only have those rights you can defend.