Racing this weekend and a situation came up that I believe we were fouled:
Two boats approaching leeward gate(s) on port tack, both fetching the left hand mark.
We both hit the circle with the other boat as the inside overlap (windward-port -- WP) boat.
We were providing
room at the mark
for the other boat; however the WP was high of the mark.
WP instead of going low-and-slow to make a seaman's rounding (with room), decided to gybe to Starboard (inside the circle).
He then stayed on Starboard as if going to the right-hand mark forcing us to gybe in order to avoid a collision. In doing so we exited the 3-boat circle
He then gybed back and rounded the left-hand mark.
I hailed PROTEST.
I ended up not going to the
room
but was curious to understand the rules to see if I was correct in my assessment.
If I'm visualizing this correctly, there was no foul. (A diagram would be very helpful.)
The defined term
fetching
does not apply at a leeward mark.
WP is not required to go
low and slow
- if they continued on port, they would be contrained (since they are the windward give way boat) to sail to the mark and their proper course while at the mark (the
seamanlike
rounding you are thinking of). However, nothing prevents them from heading up and gybing to stbd.
When WP gybed, they had to give you room to keep clear (rule 15) - and you did
Rule 18.4 (Gybing) doesn't apply at a gate.
With WP on stbd tack, you were required to keep clear - and you did.
WP was still entitled to mark room (rule 18.2 c 1) - as long as they did not leave the zone.
No contact, so rule 14 doesn't apply.
No foul.
(this had to be really light air - no way could this scenario play out in a breeze)
Yes, fairly light winds @ 6-7 kts.
Gybing and forcing me out of the 3 boat circle would seem to be more of a tactical rounding than a seaman's like rounding
If there was no mark, you'd still have to keep clear if he gybed (rule 10), and he still would have to give you room to keep clear (rule 15).
Rule 18 applies because both of you are required to leave a mark on the same side and at least one of you is in the zone.
Rule 18.2(b) required you to give mark room, unless the boat owed mark room leaves the zone.
Forcing you out of the zone is only relevant if someone else owed you mark room.
It's a subtle way to convert a low/slow give-way boat (
seamanlike
) rounding into a right-of-way (
tactical
) rounding, but it's not going to happen that often. You lose so much velocity in the downspeed second gybe and since it's directed at a particular opponent, it's essentially a team / match racing tactic.
Tuck this away in your brain's scenario database so you can anticipate it next time.
Here's a variation on the theme that I got caught in this summer. Still a bit stumped on this one.
I (yellow) was coming in on starboard gybe, intending to round the left gate. Blue came in on port. I hailed starboard. He hailed inside overlap. Being the newbie, I ducked him, but wonder if I should have.![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgbox.com/aclC5SYk.gif)
If at position 2 I was in the mark zone for the right gate, would I have had inside overlap too?
You were on stbd tack, so you had the right of way the entire time. He only had mark room WRT the left gate mark - and then only room to sail to the mark and his proper course when rounding (no tactical rounding).
But you did the right thing - except for saying
protest
and filling out the form.
Thanks Matt. I kinda thought so. Fortunately, I got my revenge and caught him on the next lap.
did blue hit the circle first?
It doesn't matter who gets to the circle first. The boats are overlapped. Starboard (yellow) has the right of way. Inside boat is entitled to mark room.
Yellow is the inside boat if they both go right. Blue is the inside boat if they both go left. If they go to opposite marks, then starboard (yellow) has the right of way.
Memories fade, but I'm 95% sure I got the relative boat positions in the animation right, so yes Blue was inside the left gate buoy circle first, although he was on a
proper course
for the right gate buoy.
In my mind, the inside overlap, mark room, and port/starboard rules all could potentially come into play.
Matt's response seems to indicate that:
- Inside overlap was not a factor
- Mark room doesn't apply since he was not on a proper course for the left mark (rule 18.1b)
- Only remaining rules would then be rule 10 (port/starboard) and rule 14 (avoiding contact). I had rights under rule 10, followed 14, and should have protested.