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Is there anywhere to buy soft shackles for the spin? I'm sick of tying knots to attach the spin. My splicing ability sucks. Where can I buy them.

Rich


 
Posted : February 15, 2012 3:20 pm
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Colligo Marine. Talk to John Franta


 
Posted : February 15, 2012 4:04 pm
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Made my first one this weekend - easy.

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Posted : February 15, 2012 5:50 pm
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JW, that looks just about the right size...for the neck of that beer bottle! Is that whay you use to drag them over the side, to keep them cool?


 
Posted : February 15, 2012 7:43 pm
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Check out http://store.littlerivercrafts.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_3


 
Posted : February 15, 2012 10:23 pm
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Cool thanks those look perfect.


 
Posted : February 16, 2012 12:42 am
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Colligo have a great video on making soft shackles on their home page. 40 cm 3 mm dyneema, a small fid and a spare hour will make you an expert <img src="<>/cool.gif" alt="cool" title="cool" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : February 16, 2012 2:18 pm
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Easy shackles are better for halyards


 
Posted : February 16, 2012 5:31 pm
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What do you mean by easy shackles? I too am looking for another solution over knots. My spin haylard gets so tight its a quite a feat to get the bowline apart.


 
Posted : February 16, 2012 7:52 pm
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here are some for u
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.362224993797209.89070.100000291350058&type=1


 
Posted : February 17, 2012 11:23 am
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Easy Shackles and spool shackles work the same way. They are metal barrels in which a loop of line goes through the middle and locks around them on each side.

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Posted : February 17, 2012 11:28 am
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[Linked Image] Pretty cool - http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Tylaska/Tylaska-spool-shackle.htm

do you think even with the o-ring (second lock) this could come free on the spin clew?


 
Posted : February 17, 2012 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Luiz
Colligo Marine. Talk to John Franta

Won't spend another dime with them EVER again.....


 
Posted : February 17, 2012 1:07 pm
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?


 
Posted : February 17, 2012 3:18 pm
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I went with Vela. Ordered them just before Bad Lattitude posted.

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Posted : February 17, 2012 11:30 pm
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I make my soft shackles a little differently than Colligo. For one thing, I put a locking brummel in the sliding eye before tying the terminal knot. Colligo (at least in their instructional video) doesn't. Without the brummel, the knot will tend to pull out. That's why they have long leads between the knot and the exit (and why they suggest leaving the ends long when making the shackle yourself).

Secondly, Colligo (and most others) tie a knife lanyard knot (a.k.a. diamond knot) in the end. I prefer to make an 8-part button knot. Both are symmetric and appropriately sized, but I feel the button knot is prettier and more secure.

Colligo puts o-rings on the shackle to make it easier to milk closed. I don't. I looked into that, but customers told me that the o-rings tend to get pinched and break off anyway. So, I don't bother.

Both styles generally work and the differences are mostly cosmetic, but I think the locking brummel is a real advantage. Mine are less expensive too <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />.

I hope that helps,
Eric


 
Posted : February 18, 2012 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Isotope42
I make my soft shackles a little differently than Colligo. For one thing, I put a locking brummel in the sliding eye before tying the terminal knot. Colligo (at least in their instructional video) doesn't. Without the brummel, the knot will tend to pull out. That's why they have long leads between the knot and the exit (and why they suggest leaving the ends long when making the shackle yourself).

Secondly, Colligo (and most others) tie a knife lanyard knot (a.k.a. diamond knot) in the end. I prefer to make an 8-part button knot. Both are symmetric and appropriately sized, but I feel the button knot is prettier and more secure.

Colligo puts o-rings on the shackle to make it easier to milk closed. I don't. I looked into that, but customers told me that the o-rings tend to get pinched and break off anyway. So, I don't bother.

Both styles generally work and the differences are mostly cosmetic, but I think the locking brummel is a real advantage. Mine are less expensive too <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />.

I hope that helps,
Eric

Can you post a close-up pic of one of yours?


 
Posted : February 18, 2012 3:47 pm
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http://l-36.com/soft_shackle_9.php


 
Posted : February 18, 2012 7:18 pm
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Nice JJ! Thanks for sharing that.


 
Posted : February 18, 2012 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Can you post a close-up pic of one of yours?

Here are a couple of pics. If you look at the photo of the open shackle, where the line exits the terminal knot, you can see part of the locking brummel. In the photo of the closed shackle, I've turned the knot up so you can see that it's a button knot -- not a lanyard knot.

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Regards,
Eric


 
Posted : February 19, 2012 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by JJ_

That's an interesting modification. Under load it should be secure, but I'm not sure it would hold while shaking (such as at the clew of a jib). I can certainly make something similar if desired, and may try it out myself. Of coures, there's really no purpose (other than neatness) to the bury anymore. One might just as well make an offset brummel eye, brummel again at the other end, and tie the terminal knot. Also note that these instrucitons only put in half of the locking brummel. I prefer the fully locked version.

Regards,
Eric


 
Posted : February 19, 2012 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by Isotope42
Originally Posted by JJ_

That's an interesting modification. Under load it should be secure, but I'm not sure it would hold while shaking (such as at the clew of a jib). I can certainly make something similar if desired, and may try it out myself. Of coures, there's really no purpose (other than neatness) to the bury anymore. One might just as well make an offset brummel eye, brummel again at the other end, and tie the terminal knot. Also note that these instrucitons only put in half of the locking brummel. I prefer the fully locked version.

Regards,
Eric

I've had this as my jib clew for 2 years, no problems whatsoever.


 
Posted : February 21, 2012 11:25 am
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didnt we have to pull over on caladisi one time (pauly was with you) to re-attach the soft shackle on your jib (head) that came apart?

Originally Posted by Headhunter
I've had this as my jib clew for 2 years, no problems whatsoever.

 
Posted : February 21, 2012 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by MN3
didnt we have to pull over on caladisi one time (pauly was with you) to re-attach the soft shackle on your jib (head) that came apart?

Originally Posted by Headhunter
I've had this as my jib clew for 2 years, no problems whatsoever.

No doucherocket, that was a halyard and of a different design.


 
Posted : February 22, 2012 8:48 am
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I made a couple of soft shackles using this eye design. As advertised, it is easier to close -- almost self-closing. I deviated from the posted instructions and put in fully locked brummels at each end of the bury and made a button knot instead of a knife-lanyard knot. They eye opens readily so I didn't add a pull-thread.

Under load, it is just as secure as the regular version. Without load, it didn't tend to open much and closed itself right away when pulled. Shaking didn't pull it apart.

Overall, I think this is a clever modification and I plan to make both styles.

Regards,
Eric


 
Posted : February 22, 2012 9:13 am
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