Tacticat goes public

Beware: This game is addictive, don't even think about trying it <img src=

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In serious, this guy has made a very nice tactical sailing game, no fancy 3D graphics, no big action (except when it's blowing..), it's your tactical knowledge that counts.

You see the fleet from a helicopter point of view and try to get advantage over the other boats by making good starts and by tacking and jibing in the right moment and to the right side. It is very easy to get going as you only need 4 or five keys to manage it. In the beginning it's not easy to win (there are already quite some good tacticat sailors out there) but with a little practice even I have managed to win sometimes <img src=

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Aside from being a good tactical trainer it is a lot of fun, come on and join us in some races! Best idea for you in a different time zone is to come up with some

standard

time for races, europeans like to show up around 19 or 20 GMT.

Hope to race you soon!

For all of you trying Tacticat.
Server is up 24 hours a day, boats available any time.

BUT, people entering after 1 AM Grenwich Time will be alone, or almost. European sailors sleep, and you will be in your own.

Just remember, space bar to navigate by telltales.
Dont run with the wind.
Tack and gybe are started and completed with only an ENTER keystroke.
Don't use the up arrow keys to force the boat bow to the wind. You end in irons, the boat stops and it recovers slowly.
Don't use the down arrow key to go deeper than standard broad reach angle (space bar).

Problems to enter the regatta field are almast always due to a null Java support, doewnload and install Java from Sun.com or java.com

cya.

You folks seriously need to get into this game. Its a total HOOT, specially if you are bored at work.

At first, it may NOT seem like a

oh ah how pretty

game, with fancy glitzy grafics. But it is DAMN worth a shot.

Like the name implies its all about the TACTICS. Which is good, because this way you will not get distracted with fancy graphics messing up your game.

I encourage everyone to take five mins and give it a shot. Aestela the programmer, is extremely helpfull in getting you up to speed with the controls and dynamics of the game.

Try it, you will love it.

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Hell yeah Pete, good races. More people should join us.

Its a FREE GAME folks.

Hi,
First of all, thx to those of you helping others in the wee spanish hours. It’ starting to work. Beginners don’t read the instructions twice before entering and have a tough first sail, having someone there to give some hints is very useful.

(My wife thanks you too, she was starting to think I was running the Space Station on a critical mission 24 hours a day <img src=

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The questions risen lately:
What’s the course?
Start – A mark – offset mark – leeward gate (enter between) – A mark –offset mark – Finish.
If you have doubts, follow the robots…

How rules are managed?.
System verifies (tries to, anyway) all collisions, and decides who is at fault. The offending boat’s name turns to black and boat is stopped. It is the users responsibility to make a 360 turn.
So, if you don’t know the sailing rules, or not sure, do as you would in a real race: keep clear, and if your name turns black or you are protested, do a 360.
If you know the sailing rules, and by any reason you are black-marked but you think you had rights, just go on but, at least send a message explaining to other sailors.
There are, and always be, people cheating, may be unconsciously or shy. We shouldn’t be too touchy about that. It is not an honour to win cheating…
Just remember there are other things more important that this game.

About Robots.
Robots are stupid machines. They have been programmed to be 5% faster. We expect you sailors to be much smarter.
Robots are very simple, follow few rules, don’t know about wind shifts…. Try to avoid them and, please, don’t protest them (they are not going to make 360!).

In order to help new sailors in a new regatta field has been opened. It is for starts practice, clock cycles from minus 2 minutes to plus one minute, and restarts. Beginners can work the starts there, aiming to be only a few seconds late on the start line at the start time.

There exists since last week a third sailing field, called training. No regatta there. You get a boat and can try all keys in a plain of water with several buoys.

To all, remember that right-clicking on the boats will give you some info on the boats user (name, country, sailed class…). If you do it in your own boat you can fill or update the info others will see for your boat.

To finish, just a welcome to new users, American but also Swedish, Dutch, Israelians, Belgian, French and Canadians (I sure forget some countries, sorry).

aestela.

Yeah, my wife and sailing my real boat! Other than that. . . ! <img src=

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I'm hooked, to get the rest of this bunch in, announce a cyberegatta! That'll get the competitive juices flowing. <img src=

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Pete,
yes, the Second World Tacticat Series will be held soon. It was initially planned for mid June, but we are delaying it a bit to let people get used to the boats and plan for a really international attendance.

There are several points that remain open:
- The entry list. WTS races are open to everybody, but only registerd users (directly in Tacticat site or in an associated site) will receive WTS points.

- The classification system, WTS is held during 2 or three days (24-72 hours). All races with 4 or more boats count. Points are given as usual (6 per user boat + 1 per robot that ended after you). Users keep the 10 best results scored during the 2-3 days. It is not clear if this system is the best. Any ideas?

- Trophys. They are virtual, like the boats. Winner gets the right to show the WTS Cup in his boat during a period. What we are considering is to make a T-shirt also, for the winner. It would be nice to have T-shirts for everybody, but this Tacticat thing runs with no money, no sponsor…, virtual trophys are cheap.

- We are thinking the possibility to nominate national champs, for those nationalities with more than a minimum number of boats. Other classifications might be also possible (attending to geographical, sailed class in reality….)

Well, if there are no better ideas we will soon announce the event. First WTS was a success, but only congregated 30 users/boats from two countries. We hope to make better this time.

aestela

Currently I'm programming a whole lot of code that comes with designing a digital controller for a tape storage device. AARRGGHHH

But when I have more time in the future I'm sure to check this software out.

Wouter

I'm interested in the associated site. It seems if I

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Wouter: This thing is addictive! I believe it is relevant to the serious sailor. I see myself making the same mistakes I make on the water. I'm trying to unlearn bad habits.

Pete,
associated site is a web site having a direct access to the regata fields and on-line info about the entry lisy. That's all.

All regatas are currently hosted in one, unique, server. The regatas are accessed by users entering www.tacticat.com or an associated site, but no difference.

Sometimes an additional server has been started at request by a sailing school or during some regatta event to allow LAN access to several users, have rules discussion or make time while the clasifications are made.

You want to sail with friends, or people in the same time zone?. Well, that's not a server or tacticat issue, you can do it with the current system.

You want to sail ONLY with a group of people you know (sharing class, country or whatever?), no problem, but in this case you have to tell us, to set-up a new field.

Currently is just a case of sheer numbers. Tacticat community is, yet, small. And sailing against many boats is much funnier, therefore, no need to divide sailors among different regattas.

Based in the statistcs gathered at the server, American people enters when in Europe is, say, 4PM. Up to 1AM European time both communities sail together. From 2AM European time regatas are ALL-AMERICAN up to 7AM. Early morning ei Europe you can find some californians, israelians and first europeans.

Do you have an idea to improve things: Say it. (As said in Spain and maybe there too 'I am all ears').

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aestela

I apologize. You have certainly thought this through, better than I! <img src=

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No, I don't want to sail with only the people I know. For some reason, I was thinking there were limited boat positions for any one race. How many boats can race at one time?

btw- yes, we have the saying

I'm all ears

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If it ain't broke don't fix it

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We want a race to be completed in 5-10 minutes. That means the A-mark cannot be too far north. That means the start line cannot be too wide (angles to A-mark sholdnt be significantly different from both ends of startline). That means that maximum boats should not exceed a maximum limit.

Social regata is currently restricted to 15 boats. There is no technical problem to increase this limit.

(After the events of last night...)

This is a very controversial issue. The subject has been raised many times and we haven’t found an absolute agreement or fully satisfactory solution.

First of all let’s take in account some obvious facts and differences between Tacticat and real sailing:
· Tacticat races complete in few minutes. There is no time, from a practical point of view, to engage in lengthy protest discussions. No when verbal intercourse is to be held by means of a clumsy chatting among different speaking people…
· There is no committee, jury or responsible actor who can judge the actions.
· Computers are not good at judging human intentions whilst human juries can excel at that.
· Computers are very good, in fact perfect, at determining physical objective facts (Out-of-line events, boat A acquires an overlap, boat X is tacking,…)
· Rules engine programming is the toughest area of all Tacticat computer routines.
· There is no safety risk when sailing Tacticat even in the strongest 60kts gale, not for people (they don’t even get wet), nor for boats (a carbon-platinum-molibden-cryptonite ultra strong alloy <img src=

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· Robots have a simple programming, they try to follow the rules but have no capacity to foresee or plan evasions. Have a small set of hard-wired instructions.

From the very beginning we had two possibilities:
· Do as in a real race. Try at all cost not to hit another boat, protest when hindered having ROW. Don’t make risky actions like tacking in front or near another boat… Or alternatively,
· Don’t try to avoid collisions at all cost when you think you have ROW (rights). Let the computer evaluate the status when collision occurs and black-mark the offending boat. Act bold, for instance tack from port course in front of a starboard boat and expect the tack to be completed BEFORE the starboard boat hits your stern (some of you have already experienced it, Robi? <img src=

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I can’t say I’m happy but over the time the second option (coined full-contakt Tacticat) has prevailed. So … people usually race according to ALL SAILING RULES EXCEPT RULE 14.

The reasons?.
First option is more sportsmanship, more real, but requires everybody to be well-behaved, to know the rules, and someone that can act as jury.
Full-contakt Tacticat option is, well, more fun, more aggressive, more easy to put in place for beginners…

This issue is not closed. And sailors racing can always decide on applying strict sailing rules and abide to Rule 14.

To tell the truth, most experienced sailors would like sailing strictly, but we are not restricting access and we find usually together a many times national champion and someone who has never raced before.
I, for my self, would like to find the way to make everybody happy. Unsuccesfully so far.

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Another issue is that Tacticat rules engine is buggy. We all know it (or should know it). There is always a risk that you are black-marked and stopped with no good reason.

Well, that’s something we have to live with.

Never had a wrong rules judgement at a real race??? You are really lucky.

Yours,
aestela

Greetings All,
This simulator is a must do for all interested in racing tactics, sailing cats, or just having fun. The games puts you at the virtual helm commanding your boat by proxy. A neat feature is the "birds eye view" allowing you to see the course, your competitors, and the weather conditions at the same time. Ever wonder if you're applying your layline to the next mark correctly? You can visualize and practice it here. Not only is the game immensely fun, it allow you to practice all the skills you will need (and then some) in any regatta (or just out by yourself). The game's simplicity is one of it's benefits. No need for fancy hardware or graphics engines, this application puts the emphasis where it should be... the execution of racing tactics to the course and competitors. It's also an excellent way to maintain racing situational awareness during the winter months. I truly enjoyed this site and have returned again and again.

Very Fun! Well done! Love the Price!

If you write a message (intended for all boats or another boat) your message is written in a log file that Tacticat administrators usually read.

Some questions have been asked between users sailing and have been answered either no completed or wrong:

1. My boat name changes color, what does it mean?
Red: computer projected all boats speeds and positions and found that you will be hitting another boat next seconds, and you will have no ROW. Obviously computers dont (yet) read minds and cannot foresee changes of mind of other boats...
yellow: your boat is being monitored because overlapped and has some restrictions (rules 17 and 17.1)
black: your boat has hit another boat, or a buoy, or out-of-line. It is your responsibility to do a 360 turn. (Exceptions: Out-of-line conditions and recovery dependent of commite flag. Buoy hitting not always require 360)

2. Enter an double enter.
Tack or gybe with enter, boat will do depending the current angle against the wind. Once the tack or gybe is started pressing ENTER will stop the tack or the gybe(fouled tack).
Double enter is when pressing ENTER twice (less than a third of second apart), double enter causes the boat to perform a quick gybe.

Quick gybe is like jamming the rudders crazy. Its quick, true, bat slow to goo deep. You only do it when 360ing or in some buoy roundings (where you have no interest to go deeper than neccesary).

3. Messages sometimes are lost.
We know it, its a bug of current version. Sometimes you improve the code to correct some bugs and other things stop working. It will be corrected.

4.Barging at the start line.
Before the start shot, if there is a collision of two boats in the same tack and overlapped the computer is instructed to black-tag the windward boat.
After the starting shot it is the same, with the exception of boats having aquired the overlap by aft-lee. In those cases the lee boat cannot luff more than its due course (defined in tacticat as the space bar course, going to telltales).

5. Use of mouse
Mouse should not be used often!. You use the mouse to:
- Regatta management: Rst and Rst2 buttons.
- Right-click on a boat, to know about the driver.
- Left click, to center the wiewing window where you click.

Notice that hyperspace agrement can be changed by clicking the Hyper-OK box, but it is much better to use the H key.

See you at La Parcela.
aestela.

Armando, can you please increase the wind maybe by 5 knots. Maybe a command, where we can set wind speed ranges 4 to 8, 9 to 13, 14+.

Also I have noticed that the question mark does not work in chat (?)

I also would suggest anyone that fouls another boat, should keep there name black for the entire reminder of the race. This is will show everyone, that X or Y person still HAS NOT completed his 360.

The game is awesome, I am only making suggestions to improve on what I think is an outstanding and simple game.

Robi, thanks...
Suggestions are welcome. And considered.

About blacktagging a boat found at fault and keeping the black mark, well..., that would be a good idea if system decisions were right always or almost always.
Not sure if it's a good idea with the current rules calculation where maybe 5-10 percent of judgemnts are not clear...

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Regarding connection problems (boats jumping or abnormal program ending), server has not reported connectivity congestion in its side for the last two weeks. We have to assume that the users experiencing the jumps or disconnections should check their connectivity quality.

Maybe wireless weak signal?, maybe connection is shared with other stations running programs connection-hungry?

Current record for abnormal termination is held by user PAN by far.
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aestela,

I finally got a few minutes to work with it yesterday and I found it pretty addictive. I only find myself wishing that the automatic screen pan box would be smaller...that is, that the screen would pan more often and sooner than it does now. I find myself zooming out and in constantly when nearing a lot of traffic that is on the edge of the screen because I can't see what's coming when the zoom is close enough to get wind information...this frequently occurs near mark roundings.

I know its rather complicated, but a points system like we do with the North American F18 points would be neat too - something like where your top (or perhaps most recent) 10 or 20 finishes would count as points to your total and the points that you earn are weighted by a relationship between your finish position and the number of boats (human) that you were racing. This way the scoring system can accomodate a lot of people and still allow those that can't race 4 hours every day a chance to be competitive. It will still allow those that are improving a good deal of opportunity to do so. You could also consider a minimum of, perhaps 4, human competitors in any given race in order for the user's score to count toward 'championship' points.

I totally agree with Jake. Those who do good in one or two races a day do not have good scores against those who race for height hours a day.

Jack,
it makes sense to change the scoring system in tha way you comment. (In fact there is a post in the spanish forum with exactly the same suggestion).

I propose to change it in this terms: your accumulated points will be the sum of the 10 best results of previous ten days.
The result of an individual race, the score, being calculated as it is today (6*beaten users+1*beaten robots).

As for the auto-pan function... Are you using the mouse to center the window when you need to see some part of the field?
Of course wind cannot be seen far away (that would be cheating) but I've found very useful to use the mouse those times that you require seeing in one specific direction or advancing the automatic pan. Try it.

aestela.

New Version available (1.6)

Most important changes:
- Messages are now always delivered. Previous version lost some messages sent by users or system.
- More characters allowed in chats

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- Guests are not allowed regatta management options (Rst, Rst2, stop) if there are registered boats sailing.
- C key changes boat color, required for team racing where all boats of same team will have same color (easier for friend-foe).
- Polars have been tweaked to limit objective-speed (max speed) during pre-start. Kamikaze starts will not pay as much. (The change reflects the real fact that it is crazy to go full speed, double trapped, pitchpole risking,… 10 seconds before the start and aiming to a small hole in the start line!)

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During next days the points system will be changed.

Enjoy it.

Avatars in the user profiles would be nice. Cant wait to sail the new version! Armanda this game seriously kicks butt!

armanda?

Sorry. It is Amando, with O, without R.

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Amando.

That was a problem with my firwall and was corrected by the

Road Runner

technical people. It has not happened since contacting them.

Sorry, I meant Armando!

Dunno what the heck I was thinking. TONIGHT! 8pm EST be there or be square.

not sure I can make it - represent the US well!