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Posted : January 23, 2013 12:52 pm
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Thanks for a great weekend, Rick. Really enjoyed it and it was a pleasure meeting you.


 
Posted : January 23, 2013 12:58 pm
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Great location and great event.

But what happened to the avg scores for not being able to sail on Monday?

Here is a Flyer and NOR:
OVERVIEW OF THE NAMSA NA's & MIDWINTER NATIONALS:
(If you are unable to make the racing on Saturday or Monday, we will take your average scores for the balance of the regatta and apply those finish position to your Friday finishes)


 
Posted : January 23, 2013 2:10 pm
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anyone have contact info for the two N20 teams that sailed the event?

Are they

local

(southeast US)?

With those two teams and the 5+ teams in FL, there's a pretty decent dead-boat fleet if they all figured out which events to sail...


 
Posted : January 23, 2013 4:14 pm
Jake Kohl
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
anyone have contact info for the two N20 teams that sailed the event?

Are they

local

(southeast US)?

With those two teams and the 5+ teams in FL, there's a pretty decent dead-boat fleet if they all figured out which events to sail...

One is a hybrid Ocean Springs, MS / Detroit, MI team (boat in MS)...the other was a Canuck team. Check your PMs.


 
Posted : January 23, 2013 4:35 pm
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Not a Canuck team, a NJ team and they now own an f18 but I think their 20 is for sail


 
Posted : January 23, 2013 6:12 pm
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Hey Rick, thanks for the nice story and all the pictures.


 
Posted : January 23, 2013 6:48 pm
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Mike, despite agonizing how that could be done, I saw no way to do it, so it was not planned to do.
Losing 16 boats on the last day has me thinking. Perhaps we should reschedule to the weekend prior to the A Class, ending on Sunday, ergo we can use the absentee Friday deal
Should the A Class ever decide to give up there Wed layday and end on Thursday, that would be the only way to do it.


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by RickWhite
Mike, despite agonizing how that could be done, I saw no way to do it, so it was not planned to do.
Losing 16 boats on the last day has me thinking. Perhaps we should reschedule to the weekend prior to the A Class, ending on Sunday, ergo we can use the absentee Friday deal
Should the A Class ever decide to give up there Wed layday and end on Thursday, that would be the only way to do it.

(in that case, this probably shouldn't be in the NOR).

Spring Fever just averages your scores for the races on that day that you can't make. Score a 5, 10, 5, 10, 5, 10 on days 1&2, get a 7.5 for the rest of the races on day 3 (or Day 1 - whichever was the published

option day

.


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 8:12 am
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I don't think the low turnout on Monday was due to the scheduling. I think a lot of people were afraid of bobbing around waiting for the wind. we could have gone out but didn't think the wind would be there. We chose poorly..


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by JohnM
Hey Rick, thanks for the nice story and all the pictures.

+1


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by PTP
I don't think the low turnout on Monday was due to the scheduling. I think a lot of people were afraid of bobbing around waiting for the wind. we could have gone out but didn't think the wind would be there. We chose poorly..

When Rick reported that it was 8 at the committee boat I was sure his pants were on fire, but we went out anyway. It was nice to see the breeze, it wasn't 8 but it was there and building. We actually had the best wind of the weekend on Monday.

You should have sailed Mike. You might want to check the fine print in the Spring Fever NOR, if you want the optional scoring you have to declare which days you are sailing when you register. This prevents someone for looking at the conditions on any particular morning and deciding it would be better to take the averages rather than sail in conditions that don't work well for them. There is always a catch.


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by PTP
I don't think the low turnout on Monday was due to the scheduling. I think a lot of people were afraid of bobbing around waiting for the wind. we could have gone out but didn't think the wind would be there. We chose poorly..

When Rick reported that it was 8 at the committee boat I was sure his pants were on fire, but we went out anyway. It was nice to see the breeze, it wasn't 8 but it was there and building. We actually had the best wind of the weekend on Monday.

You should have sailed Mike. You might want to check the fine print in the Spring Fever NOR, if you want the optional scoring you have to declare which days you are sailing when you register. This prevents someone for looking at the conditions on any particular morning and deciding it would be better to take the averages rather than sail in conditions that don't work well for them. There is always a catch.

Just had lunch with Mike and discussed. Totally agree that you would have to declare ahead of time.


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
We actually had the best wind of the weekend on Monday.

yeah, I was getting that feeling on the beach when I was taking the boat apart <img src="<>/frown.gif" alt="frown" title="frown" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : January 24, 2013 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by PTP
yeah, I was getting that feeling on the beach when I was taking the boat apart <img src="<>/frown.gif" alt="frown" title="frown" height="15" width="15" />

Although the sailing Monday was really nice and the venue was off the chain it wasn't my favorite part the of the weekend. The hands down highlight was when our red headed Candian friend gave Ricky a new nickname that he absolutly HATES! I promise to only use it when you really deserve it Ricky. For example when you start taking sh!t at 'A' mark or any other location on the course. Oh yeah, another reason why racing in light air sucks... Ricky won't STFU.


 
Posted : January 25, 2013 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by PTP
yeah, I was getting that feeling on the beach when I was taking the boat apart <img src="<>/frown.gif" alt="frown" title="frown" height="15" width="15" />

Although the sailing Monday was really nice and the venue was off the chain it wasn't my favorite part the of the weekend. The hands down highlight was when our red headed Candian friend gave Ricky a new nickname that he absolutly HATES! I promise to only use it when you really deserve it Ricky. For example when you start taking sh!t at 'A' mark or any other location on the course. Oh yeah, another reason why racing in light air sucks... Ricky won't STFU.

Do tell. I'm OK with

Ricky

going to the dustbin as long as the new one irritates the shite out of him. Chris was funny pickin' on him Thursday night also.


 
Posted : January 26, 2013 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by JohnM
Hey Rick, thanks for the nice story and all the pictures.

+1

+ another one


 
Posted : January 27, 2013 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by RickWhite
Mike, despite agonizing how that could be done, I saw no way to do it, so it was not planned to do.
Losing 16 boats on the last day has me thinking. Perhaps we should reschedule to the weekend prior to the A Class, ending on Sunday, ergo we can use the absentee Friday deal
Should the A Class ever decide to give up there Wed layday and end on Thursday, that would be the only way to do it.

Rick: great event, FANTASTIC Venue

A quick note for you from a team that travels far for the event (from Canada), PLEASE keep this a three day event. Long travel really isn't worth it for a 2 day event.

A note about the monday (which all others here have made). A LOT of teams woke up to see glass, even at 8 am. Given the forecast for the day was 2 knots, I think a lot of people made the early call to pack it up, even though RC had decided to run races. I know the RC made the right call, wind came in, etc. But I wouldn't read as much into the lower number on Monday, IMO it had to do with waking up to 0 knots, and a forecast that had 0 knots. I for one learnt my lesson, plan on going out no matter what 😉 To be honest, the RC had a tendency to overstate the wind speed all weekend so there may have been a

trust

factor when they said they had 8 (top of the mast maybe?)... Anyway, lessons were learnt and the RC was very very forgiving with

late starters

, overall great job which got better as the weekend went on.

As for the

missing day

scoring, just have the team indicate on registration the first day of the event if they had to miss a day, and thats that. Avoids

last minute drops

.

Side note: you can tell Chris doesn't have much hair when you guys call him a red head canuck! I've sailed with him my whole life... he's no ginger, that was just his burnt scalp shining through ;-)...


 
Posted : January 27, 2013 2:47 pm
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Sorry Todd you chose to to sail the A cat event instead of tradewinds, that's the price you pay. Plus the fact your F18 is for sale does not sit well with the families.


 
Posted : January 27, 2013 5:47 pm
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+another: for waking up and seeing glass, thus calling it a weekend. I did not help that we (and others) were hanging hard from a fun night of watching football at the Ocean View. <img src="<>/crazy.gif" alt="crazy" title="crazy" height="15" width="15" /> I know others who saw the same thing and decided to enjoyed other things to do on a very beautiful day in the keys.

It was not Monday you were up against, it was a gorgeous calm day in the Keys that was to blame.

I say do have it on the same weekend, with the MLK Monday.


 
Posted : January 27, 2013 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Sorry Todd you chose to to sail the A cat event instead of tradewinds, that's the price you pay. Plus the fact your F18 is for sale does not sit well with the families.

We had the breeze. At the rate I'm going the A will be for sale to.


 
Posted : January 27, 2013 8:44 pm
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So, I guess I am hearing keep it MLK weekend Sat thru Mon. That is what is presently on the schedules and the ads
Any feed back otherwise, let everyone know your thoughts.
Rick


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by RickWhite
So, I guess I am hearing keep it MLK weekend Sat thru Mon. That is what is presently on the schedules and the ads
Any feed back otherwise, let everyone know your thoughts.
Rick

MLK weekend works for me, I'll be back.


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 9:11 am
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If I could land on a boat, I'd be there whether it was Fri-Mon or any combination thereof.

Was there room/opportunity to set-up/sail on Friday this time? Or was that interfering with the A-cat week?


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 11:31 am
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MLK weekend worked well, I have a sneaking suspicion the smaller overall F18 fleet may have had more to do with

still paying the tab for the worlds

then anything else... I know a few teams that normally come that did not due to recovering from the cost of going to Cali.

Perhaps a surveymonkey survey could be sent out to all that registered... Generally Rick: great event, as usual, better venue then before. Just have some more active mark / start line adjustments on the F18 fleet next time 😉

Thanks for all the work,
-P


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
If I could land on a boat, I'd be there whether it was Fri-Mon or any combination thereof.

Was there room/opportunity to set-up/sail on Friday this time? Or was that interfering with the A-cat week?

We arrived late Friday ~3PM and by that time it looked like all but a few of the A-cats were long gone.

Jay the place is freaking huge!!! I think we'd have to have 150+ boats before you'd even start to feel crowded. With that said we are planning on getting there on Thursday next year.


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 12:03 pm
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no setup problems. There is a ton of room at the Islander. Launching was no big deal either.

I'll second the notion of encouraging race committee to tighten things up on making course adjustments sooner and more expediently (for instance, moving a-mark after the last boat rounds the mark and not waiting for everyone to completely finish)...having the first two starts with the wind nearly parallel with the start line got me a little frustrated. But, then again, I didn't exactly have my A game on that weekend...so, ... meh.


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
If I could land on a boat, I'd be there whether it was Fri-Mon or any combination thereof.

Was there room/opportunity to set-up/sail on Friday this time? Or was that interfering with the A-cat week?

I got down there Thursday night and set up and sailed Friday, as did lots of others. There's plenty of room for both the A cats and all the Tradewinds boats at their huge waterfront area.


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 2:08 pm
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As for 'better', on shore it's definately a better location, but out on the water?

I prefer the other side due to the lack of chop with an onshore wind. The bay side stays pretty flat no matter how much wind, but it has a lot more crab pots to avoid going downwind fast, so I guess it's a tradeoff.

Which is worse? Chopp and Waves or Crab Pots?


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 2:11 pm
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Rick, just wait until a few days prior, and then schedule it for the days with the best wind.

;^)


 
Posted : January 28, 2013 2:14 pm
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