us sailing survey

I don't remember all of them but dingy and keelboat were among the options. Certainly catamaran or multihull were not.

Terry, you didn't get a survey because your membership is not current.

You are Terry Back from Winter Springs, yes? Or are you using another alias?

Remind him to renew. . . at D south.

I suppose that Jack is disingenuous to think that cat sailors are simply

sailors

and others can be

categorized

by

interest

like

dingy

or

keel boats

.

Oh for F!@# sake guys! It's a process and this guy is just like anyone one of us that doesn't like getting called on the carpet by the boss! You've NEVER tried to rationalize away a mistake!? And yes Gary does have his work cut out for him, and we need to make his efforts worth it!

This is a customer relations issue. If you were the boss and had delegated a subordinate with the task of

dealing with it

would you be satisfied with the result thus far?

It's the underling being taken to task here, not the boss. The boss might well be interested in how the matter is being handled.

And you still haven't given Terry a boot in the nuts for not being signed up for D south.

So here was the question I see that categorizes sailors:
Which category of sailing do you normally participate?
Select one:
One design dinghy racing
One design keelboat racing
Handicap racing
Team racing
Match racing
Day sailing
Coastal cruising
Ocean passage making
Other
While I agree with all of you and clicked other, I don't think one design dinghy racing would have been to far of a stretch for me and anyone else who races cats. For the rest of the catsailor on here that do not race I think day sailing would cover it.
While I don't think it was wrong of anyone to voice their opinion I honestly don't think it's THAT big of a deal. I think maybe we should have been categories under high performance sailing which would also have covered skiffs and etc. I think to ask for a multihull specific category is asking a bit much since like they said, they are trying to go for a general and broad survey. If they were going for specific they would have had to list lots more than they did including windsurfing, ocean racing, and etc. Along the same lines while I do lots of team racing i'm not sure why they would have their own categories isntead of being grouped under dinghy racing if multihull racing or high performance sailing don't get there own category.
I agree with Karl on Jack's tone being a little harsh and disrespectful to multihull sailors. I think it was just a bad choice of words on his part maybe he meant to insert dinghy sailors which wouldn't in my opinion be offensive and I might make him aware of that.

When I read that same question I initially thought the same, One Design Dinghy, but then I started thinking about how the Tornado was dropped from the Olympics, and how I didn't want to add any more support for the One Design Dinghy classes in the next Olympics, so I also put Other, but If they had had two more categories,

Racing Catamaran

and

Racing/Cruising Multihull

or some such, I think it would provide them with much more info and provide us with more leverage for a multihull in the next Olympics. I didn't want our numbers to be added to the

One Design Dinghy

classes, which already have too many clases in the Olympics.

LOL <img src="<>/eek.gif" alt="eek" title="eek" height="15" width="15" /> You crack me up. I didn't say that I was a USSailing member ... only that I didn't receive a survey .... of course, they didn't send me one. I'm not a member.

You're right though, I shouldn't have an opinion on something I'm not a part of.

Why don't you shoot them an email and tell them that if they would show some SUPPORT for multihulls, you would become a member?

I disagree, this is a FORUM, you are a part of it. you are entitled to an opinion, and have the right to voice it.. just be ware... you (and often me) will get kicked around a bit if you are vocal with your opinion (or humor)

I think he is speaking of voicing his opinion regarding the survey to US Sailing.

I am a member and I did not get the survey.

Here is my response:

Greetings:

I have recently become aware that many of my friends in the Multihull community received email surveys from USSAILING.

I however, did not receive the survey. I am concerned that you may not have the correct contact information for me.

Would you please verify that you have the below information?

My membership should also be related to the multihull Golden Anchor program.

654799E

Thank you.

Jack Woehrle
jwoesvra@aol.com
803-463-5388
FAX 803-794-8747
701 Center Street
West Columbia, SC 29169

Agreed. The survey wording contradicts the reasoning in his reply. Don´t be fooled by word tricks, if there is a dinghy and keelboat option, there should have been a catamarans or multihulls option either - not to mention windsurfers, kites and (why not?) foilers.

I guess you all know that kites are also applying for the Olympics.

Terry, I didn't say you shouldn't have an opinion but your post implied USSailing dropped the ball and since this thread is laced with that kind of sentiment you can see how I could read your post that way don't you?

Nobody is fooled by anything! The guy clearly chose his words poorly, it's not the end of the freaking world!

No worries.

It sounds reasonable, but it isn't - and US Sailing knows better than that.

It is a mistake to mark

OD dinghy

if you sail a

SMOD multi

(Hobies, Nacras), a

formula multi

(F18, F16) or a

development multi

(Tornado, A Class).

A proper survey would have included every possible equipment or replaced them all with

fleet racing

, which would have been coherent with the remaining options.

As it is, the survey excludes almost all fleet racing equipment (high performance dinghies, windsurfers, foilers, kites and multihulls) and almost all class types (OD, SMOD, development and formula), to focus exclusively on OD dinghies and keelboats - as if those were the only

real

boats.

This is clearly the product of a short sighted writer with disorganized thoughts and quite evident biases. Don't excuse them, require a proper survey.

Luiz, that is the part that botherd me, I was affraid that sometime down the road, US Sailing would come out with a statement to justify more

One Design Dinghy Racing

support, and squat for multihulls,

Based on the answers we recieved in our most recent survey...

I only wonder why intead of a check box for

Other

they didn't allow a -wright in- box instead.

What makes you think the request that survey be corrected hasn't been submitted?

This is the same logic that Gary Bodie used to rationalize the removal of catamarans from the Olympics. Paraphrasing:

It's just a different boat

he said,

we're talking about dinghies and multihulls but we may as well be talking about red boats and blue boats. There is no difference.

The survey now has a multihull option.

Survey is fixed. In my e-mail is US Sailing's regular periodic newsletter. The survey is included and updated to include Multihulls. If you're a member, check it out. Now that we have the ability to be counted, lets make sure we are!!!!

Thanks Karl.

Sweet, did you say they sent out new surveys or do I have to go find it on the US Sailing web site?

The survey was in the E-Sailing e-mail, but I am sure it's on the website somewhere.

Here's the link: http://www.prsurvey.com/USSailingMembers/

I looked earlier on the US Sailing website for the survey and could only find results from 2006

Thanks for the link. Just completed the revised survey. Be sure to include your comments on the last question.
Caleb Tarleton

Done. Thanks Beth.