When sailing downwind with your spinnaker and your bow stuffs hard, like up to crossbeam, presuming your crew is locked in on the wire... what should be done with the spinnaker... should it be blown to reduce momentum? OR held tight to hopefully lift the bows? OR is it too late to do anything and just cross your fingers?
We've tried the first two and found about the same success rate but i'm leaning towards the idea of staying trimmed in... any other methods? How about trimming the spinnaker in to reduce flow but still keep generating lift?
I generally drop my traveller a foot or two and then quickly pull it back in as soon as the bows start to rise.
... sound the diving klaxon(horn).....
Aoooga, Aoooga, Aoooga .... dive, dive, dive
Just don't
blow
the main if you wish to keep your stick ....
I don't believe that there is one correct solution as it depends on many factors .....
yeah, what he said
Trim in to stall and drop the traveler. Swim is the other option.
I understand the premise of trimming in to stall but I am more a believer in blowing the thing.
the apparent wind changes a lot when you slow down that much. It changes how much? probably at least 90 degrees? likely more
We've tried the first two and found about the same success rate but i'm leaning towards the idea of staying trimmed in... any other methods? How about trimming the spinnaker in to reduce flow but still keep generating lift?
Skipper to crew:
why did you quit trimming?
pump the spin. let an arm length out then take 2 arms in
I know not of this
stuffing the bows
that you speak of.
*eats another cheeseburger*
I'll gladly pay you Tuesday...
I usually go straight to the Swim option, like the Marines say when they enter a bar on Shore Leave,
Go Ugly Early, avoid the rush...
I look for a soft spot to land so I don't break anything and then I can get busy snuffing the spin to right the boat...I'm getting pretty quick at it really.
I am afraid to risk the mast (Capricorn), so I neither touch main-sheet or -traveller. The crew eases the spi by one or two armlengths, but if you're already stuffed till the frontbeam, it's usually too late anyway ...
Sailing the F16 with T foils; it's only happened once and I just sailed thru the wave.
If I have to do something (Had an Inter 17 before the F16) I would sheet the Kite IN to stall it further and then ease as soon as the bows came up.
Ask Seth:
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Who's on that boat in the background applauding...?
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It looks like dropping the traveler would work. Finding the time might be a problem.
according to Pete's video... send the crew out to the forestay to manually push the spin back in the tube...
Keeping it sheeted or pump seem to be the way to go.
The traveler idea opens up another can of worms... i've heard two schools of thought..
1)Dropping the traveler drives the bow down
2)Dropping the traveler lifts the bows
Which is it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't dropping the traveler only make the situation worse????? When the bows stuff, the boat stops and the aparent wind moves WAAAAY aft. Dropping the traveler will now expose more sail area to the new apparent wind making a bad situation worse. I've always dealt with it by keeping weight back (as soon as bodies start going forward, it's all over), driving down (assuming rudders are still in the water), and praying!
look at the very last few seconds of the video. Isn't it the main that actually takes the boat over?
In the end, it's always the main that takes it over, the spin is flogging by then. I doubt if anyone's got time to play with the traveler, when it happens, it happens fast!
We've tried the first two and found about the same success rate but i'm leaning towards the idea of staying trimmed in... any other methods? How about trimming the spinnaker in to reduce flow but still keep generating lift?
Drive better.
Well we rolled your butt at Steeplechase while stuffing very frequently.
I have to agree with Karl that easing the traveler would make it worse.
On an N20, you'd be wrong.
Ding will you please go back to spanking the punk's butt so we don't have to listen to him. Quit cutting the Jr. team slack.
Oh the shame of it all getting rolled by the Todd's on the same day how will I get on with my life. Refresh my memory, where did you guys end up that weekend? And don't be a little bitch and whine about the redress.
I told you all ready, I don't pick on you anymore and I'm truly offended that you lump me into the same category as
The Punk
. It's not my fault his mom named him after me, then he fell horribly short of that benchmark. I think I deserve an apology from you and his parents.
that boat was going over no matter what. when someone is in front of the forestay the game is over and if you are the one still at the back of the boat pick your exit strategy.
Unless clipped into a chicken line I would think it would be pretty impossible to trim in the spin when you stuff it because all your effort is in not flying forward when the boat slows down so much and by trimming the spin in you will be pulling yourself further forward.
Timbo- on a blade when you stuff you are toast- especially if you are solo and can't drop the trav- very unlikely to come back from that. The N20 is more forgiving and when you stuff you can save it especially if you've got a fat bastard at the back of the boat.
Really dude. I read these forums you know.
You can refer to me by name at least <img src="<>/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh" height="15" width="15" />
We've stiffed the F18, so hard that I flew around the forestay, landed on the leeward hull, unclipped from the trap, scooted across the tramp, re-clipped in, sheeted in, and kept going...
now, that is impressive... however, one would think, even still, that that was much more luck than skill <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />