worrell 1000 Question?

rolf thanks I enjoyed what you wrote here on the lower half of your post.

I have placed alot of thought when designing the race, as to tring to make it as fair as possible to multiple skill levels, the testosterone levels etc. such as corporations entering so called dream teams etc. as well professionals entering and trying to dominate the event etc.

Trying to make it basic here but in short:
the Corporations, all race against one another
the Pro's if any enter, all race against each other
there are 2 of the series set aside to accomodate this.
then everyone else, all the rest...

Now yes, the best from each series will go on and eventually meet that pro-team or that dream team, but my thoughts on this is that by that point they should all be of the same caliber of sailor. For me personally, I would love to win my series, inturn racing against a known great, what a win it would be, or atleast, I hope that I would make good competion anyways.

I also understand your points on the volvo race etc. sponsored by the lets say, the big leagues. Its one of the reasons for planning this one out. The best way to answer you on this one, simply is go and try and get in on one. It simply does not happen. Not to mention the boat and where it come from?

The resentment is also a large one, this one I cannot control. So all I can do on this, is state that a person should expect to loose or that its not a race to place your mortgage on. Its a high stakes event, that if you do not win 1,2,3 in your series than you've just lost a big chunk of change.

Thanks for you good input..

thank you john for those words of support...

MauganN20

No I agree for many probably the majority, the way events are run are fine the way they are, the weekend races etc. also the awards and prizes are terrific too.

What I am proposing to do here is far from attempting to replace the manner in which events are held today. My Intent is only offer another option for those who would like to take it all to the next level.

well journeyman,

thanks for the input but really unshure what this means, made me laugh though

OBXGator
newbie

I too think this would be a good thing.

thanks jake for your input, its useful.

How much of the entry fee goes towards expenses? all money over and above the prize money is slated towards the expense factors, as well the unforseen factors.

What’s your cut? This I would suppose would simply be anything left, if at all after all prize payouts and all other associated costs are paid, following the event.

Have you done any forecasting on what the expenses will be?
The answer is to this is simply yes & its alot.
Do you have an organization in place to execute the pre-sail, sail and post-sail activities?
Again Yes, several for each series, on each day, more info will be on the new site as to exactly who, but what is important at this time is

participants

, that are interested in actually attending the event. If those numbers are not there than neither is the event. Again the reason no money is asked for, No not even the deposit, simply those who would attend.
Who are you? When talking about $234,000 of other people’s money you’d be much more believable if you could spell entrance, ensure, entrant, comfortable, ensuring and entrants. Did you ever live in B.C. and were involved in Australian imports? lol, why are some people so big on spelling, its only a thread not a contract. if U think this is bad spellin, u should c me in a chat session. I am only tring to respond quickly to posts here. As for BC yes, Austrailian imports No, and nothing wrong with an aussie....good people rank right up there with newfoundlander's

lol funny,
No thier U20's and there fast.
No disrespect to all you cat guys and gails out there, the thread was a question on the worrel 1000, so what better place to go than to the pro's on it thats you guys. Ask a cat sailor about a cat event.
Now whats a waterskier do when he wants a little more of a challenge, yup he drops a ski. So drop a pontune...hey this was only fair....to each thier own myfriend.

This too was my thought mary when I read of the worrel event on the web.
My thoughts are that he spent deposits before the numbers were there to support it, or used them in that lawsuit that was launched. I wasn't all that keen on its structure,from what I have been told. The million dollars is Cool, but probably reaching for the sky.

Pretty quick in Judgement don't you think! you stated obvious scam? I find this interesting considering that I was only asking for knowledge of the worrell 1000, followed buy a request for input, as to how enterence fee's could be collected and protected for the racer. As well any ideas or contributions others had, to make this event better etc.

Vague responses. Conclusion? Avoid.

Uh, I guess this isnt a good time to talk about my idea for a race without sails...you know...any boat can enter. We all start upwind of the finish line, no paddling allowed althought you could scull your rudders...

I figure big fat people with billowing clothes and a lot of windage will win it...

I only need y'all to put up, say $ 10K apiece to put it together. See, its lots cheaper if I cheat you than one of these big money guys....

Never mind.

Nowadays any post asking for money in the Net smells like a scam.

If you want to collect money and don't want it to look like a scam, the financials of your sailing event must be reliable, verifiable and easy to understand.

You smay ask for deposits in an escrow account in a bank, provided that the rules governing the account are well prepared.

Alternatively, you may use a reliable trustee. A well reputed treasurer of a well reputed yacht club or fleet is a strong candidate. Unknown people are not eligible - and that probably means you.

By the way: I would never send money to anyone writing in English with more mistakes than I do. Those mistakes are too simmilar to those found in scams. Find an educated adult to help you. find a fleet or yacht club to help too.

Ok, simply put I happen to be quite Educated, I do not however place much stock, value or worth in a misspelled word or even a few, as apparently some do, maybe I should, but I do not. It is not an easy task to take the necessary time to read and understand in the run of a day, multiple posts, emails, letters questions, what have you. Then sit down and respond to each one individually, promptly etc. Now combine that with your own agenda, Dailey routine of work, planning an event, making calls, contacts meetings etc. Now don't forget to include your family in there somewhere. Ok I thought about this, I am sure its the information and rapid reply that's important, not whether or not a word is exact or not.

thanks for the feedback on the other items you wrote of, I will keep that in mind upon setting things up at the bank. When I do so, I will post exactly how the trust account will work, taking into account all concerns, suggestions and feed back. Also, before there is any requirement for a deposit etc. There first must be enough Interested teams to support the event. No money is required until I at least have that, then the decision will be made to, carry it all out, not before. If or when this takes place those funds will go not to me, to a trust set up with a recognizable bank it will be that bank who will make payment of the prize. Any documentation as to this agreement to the bank, will be downloadable on the web site, complete with contacts numbers etc. I hope that this method will be satisfactory to all concerned, if not and there needs to be more done, than now would be the time for those suggestions on it.
thanks

I believe I can speak for most of the members of this forum. Your credibility here is questionable at best. You talk of big payoffs but don’t have the wherewithal to establish even the most rudimentary organization to run a bare bones regatta. You’ve milked this forum for information that is basic knowledge for any YC or fleet RCC. You claim that you’re “quite Educated” but discount the value of proper spelling. You continually claim that no money will be required until enough interest is generated but your freebie web site demands a credit card number. And, on top of everything else, your proposed regatta is sailed on monohulls.

Let’s summarize. No credibility, no organization, no money, no knowledge and, no multihulls. You’ve come to the wrong place. Find a monohull forum for your daydreams. They may be more receptive but don’t hold your breath.

Ouch. Well stated, and right between the eyes. I like this guy.

Now, I got this email this morning from a guy in Nigeria who has $ 20 million to run a race, and only needs me to give him my banking details and I can be a partner....

Who needs cash prizes? We have T-Shirts, Ye Olde Lawn Chair and Busch beer, not to mention all of the

good people

that we are blessed with.

Cash would just suck the fun right out of the whole deal. It would be great for a few........

I have been doing a little research. And I have also been in e-mail contact with Mark Daggett, who seems sincere and now seems to be able to spell. (Did somebody else write that one post for him?) I have told Mark that I am very skeptical about this whole thing.

On Mark Daggett's web site he clearly says, at the very beginning of the description of the event that,

The event will consist of 12 sailboats 'one design' donated for the event period by our official manufacturer.

So I e-mailed the manufacturer, and he says this is not so. The manufacturer is not involved with this event, although he is trying to help Mark locate boats that could be used in the event.

That seems iffy to me, since only 200 Ultimate 20's have been built and 160 of those sold in North America. Sounds like at the very least 12 current U20 owners would have to agree to give up use of their boats for an entire sailing season and relocate them to Lake Petitcodia. This seems doubtful, even if Mark pays substantial charter fees to the owners of the boats for all of the 11 or 12 regattas in the series.

Anyway, Mark now claims he did not say that the manufacturer would be supplying/donating the boats. But the statement is still right there on the web site. (Again, maybe there is more than one person involved.)

A BIG item of concern is that Mark says he plans to sail in the event himself. I think this is a MAJOR conflict of interest for the organizer of a high-stakes money regatta. Figure it out. I have done the math, and you can do it if you care.

Also I have done a lot of research about this

lake

that they are going to use for this series. Google

Lake Petitcodia

.

After these last few replies I am interested to see what this guy has to say.

adios

comes to mind..

He might not want to come back...

Mary, I Googled the Lake you put up but only found a recommended spelling

Petitcodiac

which is a river with a

recreational head pond

called Lake Petitcodiac. It's also known as the

Chocolate River

because of the water color and is one of the few rivers that actually has a tidal wave with the incoming ocean tide. It sure doesn't sound like a terrific place to sail - but it leads me to believe that it's not really a scam because certainly someone could dream up something better than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petitcodiac_River

So its about sailing a monohull, in muddy waters up in Canada. Not really into monohulls unless its a sports boat, I dont like muddy waters and Canada is too cold for my blood.

I believe I can speak for most of the members of this forum. Your credibility here is questionable at best. You talk of big payoffs but don’t have the wherewithal to establish even the most rudimentary organization to run a bare bones regatta. You’ve milked this forum for information that is basic knowledge for any YC or fleet RCC. You claim that you’re “quite Educated” but discount the value of proper spelling. You continually claim that no money will be required until enough interest is generated but your freebie web site demands a credit card number. And, on top of everything else, your proposed regatta is sailed on monohulls.

excuse me but, no credit card number is asked for on the form, only what means you intend to pay with, should you decide to carry it through, that's it that's all. As for the other statements here, just let me say that at the top or in the beginning as it were, the question posed was for information and knowledge on the Worrall 1000 Cat race. Who would know best on this issue, cat sailor who raced in this, or monohulls.......exactly

 

Just a note here
The lake is not known as the chocolate river, the river is, the lake is feed from 2 rivers as well a reservoir that supplies the Cities drinking water.

The photo you have posted here is on the wrong side of things, the photo is that of the river, not the lake. The tide does not enter the lake, rather the other way around, the overflow from a spillway enters the river.

Mary,
If an organization, manufacturer, supplier etc. were assisting you, would you not also give them that credit.
Lets assume these boats are there, they are, and I did not use math to achieve this.
Lets also make an assumption the money is there to carry the event through, it simply is, if the participants are. This is where that math come in.
Lets also count on my racing in this event should it take place, again it is dependent on the number of participants.
The race is governed by a body of race officials, none of which I Know, applying the racing rules of sailing, the boats are

One design

meaning exact in every respect, and issued to participants by way of a draw on the first day of the race.I am only organizing the event, to make it happen, others will make up the board to apply it. there is no conflict of interest all is equal in every respect.

I wish to thank everyone for their answers, suggestions as well comments to my Re: worrell 1000 Question? It has been most helpful. Should anyone wish to add something they feel would make this event better, please do I will be looking for those suggestions. In doing so please keep it constructive and useful.

There’s a difference between donated and assisting. In this case, the manufacturer is trying to locate owners that will charter boats for an extended period. As someone who claims to be “quite Educated” you should know the difference. Your failure to use the proper description takes another bite out of your credibility.

You make a number of assumptions. Boats, money, participants, etc. When you’re asking people to pony up a large sum of money for a blue-sky event then assumptions just don’t cut it. Assumptions are the mother of all screw-ups.

With the proposed scope of your blue-sky event, how can you even think of competing? I’ve run a number of weekend events with an excellent staff to support me and never got my tootsies wet (except for the time I fell off the committee boat). Is the fix in?

Race officials? Others will make up the board organizing the event? Who are they? If you haven’t got them lined up and organizing then you’re almost a year behind. You appear here on November 2 to start asking questions about a big money event that’s suppose to start in six or seven months and expect anyone to believe it’s for real? Do you have permits for the venue? Do you have insurance? Do you have anything except a freebie web site with a bunch of half-truths? Inquiring minds really want to know, if for no other reason, the entertainment value.

Not willing to comment on sail2007 or his event (because I don't know him), but to answer the question of why he's here talking to cat sailors. Its because I sent him here.

He was plugging his event in the sportsboat section of sailing anarchy, and someone bought up the Worrell. When no one was forth coming with more info, I recommended that he should come here and ask cat sailors about a cat event.