He was plugging his event in the sportsboat section of sailing anarchy, and someone bought up the Worrell. When no one was forth coming with more info, I recommended that he should come here and ask cat sailors about a cat event.
The event wasn't so well received over there either...
Mark, I hope that the things I have brought up will help you in planning and organizing, because they are the kinds of things that other people will also ask to determine the credibility of both you and the event.
Specifically in terms of you participating in the event, my question would be: Will there be a rule that does not allow any team to participate more than once in the elimination rounds?
For all we know, you are a hotshot sailor who is going to clean up on this financially -- or at least be able to use some of the regatta registration money to make it possible for you to pay to participate in enough of the elimination events to get into the finals. Or maybe even ALL of the elimination events even AFTER you have qualified, just so you can win the smaller prize monies, too.
And even if you DO make a rule that everyone can only participate once, since you are the organizer and are able to decide what teams are going to be in the various eliminations, it would be easy for you to decide to schedule yourself in an elimination that has a bunch of
losers.
You know what I mean?
Just something to think about, that other people might think about. That is why I said it is a conflict of interest for the organizer to be sailing in a money regatta. And that is why I said,
Do the math.
Sounds like a good deal to me -- let other people pay my entry fee into nine regattas.
As I have already said, I think you are sincere in your mission, but you have a long way to go to establish credibility. And I know I am not helping much.
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Fascinating thread on SA. Especially the responses to the criticisms.
sail2007, hmmm, mw? Is that you?
TRYNG TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY LINGERING INTEREST?
Probing, checking....
I can spelle
sail2007,
I'm curious how you're going to get your hands on 12 U20s. Abbott Boatworks has had a waiting list of people that have already paid deposits on new boats. How are they going to have time to make 12 before your event?
As for getting other U20s, I know quite a few U20 sailors and very few of them would be willing to give up their boats for an entire season.
He was plugging his event in the sportsboat section of sailing anarchy, and someone bought up the Worrell. When no one was forth coming with more info, I recommended that he should come here and ask cat sailors about a cat event.
I thank you for your comments scarecrow, as well the referral to this site, it for the most part has been most helpful.
Specifically in terms of you participating in the event, my question would be: Will there be a rule that does not allow any team to participate more than once in the elimination rounds?
For all we know, you are a hotshot sailor who is going to clean up on this financially -- or at least be able to use some of the regatta registration money to make it possible for you to pay to participate in enough of the elimination events to get into the finals. Or maybe even ALL of the elimination events even AFTER you have qualified, just so you can win the smaller prize monies, too.
And even if you DO make a rule that everyone can only participate once, since you are the organizer and are able to decide what teams are going to be in the various eliminations, it would be easy for you to decide to schedule yourself in an elimination that has a bunch of
losers.
You know what I mean?
Just something to think about, that other people might think about. That is why I said it is a conflict of interest for the organizer to be sailing in a money regatta. And that is why I said,
Do the math.
Sounds like a good deal to me -- let other people pay my entry fee into nine regattas.
As I have already said, I think you are sincere in your mission, but you have a long way to go to establish credibility. And I know I am not helping much.
Yes Mary,
Many of these things that both you and others have posted, have been most constructive, helpful and useful, in continued planning on this event, and organizing it in a manner that hopefully in the final draft will be satisfactory to those who enter. You are most certainly correct when you state, it will be the kinds of things asked and requested of me, this was one of my reasons in continuing with this thread when it changed from the question I originally asked, to picking apart my own event, changes are already in progress on it, thanks to feedback found on this terrific site.
In review of the stats to date from this site on the Question I originally asked: worrell 1000?
1359 persons visited the post on your site
67 including all my posts responded with their thoughts, opinions, feedback, concerns, assistance of knowledge, suggestions etc.
some 667 persons to date from this site visited mine to at least check it out, to form their own thoughts or interest on the event.
There is more but in short, this at least tells me there is a interest in this type of event, but for the most part those interested want more concrete, credible details and assurances, prior to taking a few minutes to fill out a form, even if that form is nothing more than saying, hey I would attend, reserve me a place. I do intend to provide this and much more.
Mary you asked
Specifically in terms of you participating in the event, my question would be: Will there be a rule that does not allow any team to participate more than once in the elimination rounds? Yes, this is a good rule, your point is well noted, and I will include this in the
official notice of race
, once it come out.
Yes I do know what you mean, It is impossible for me to decide who my elimination race opponents are, I am simply unable to decide who races where and in what eliminination round, for the following reason. The reservation form on the site Is for planning purposes for the racer, as well lets us know who is interested in attending. To explain what happens here is this, when filling out the form you are required to check off an eliminations round date, this you would pick based on your own life schedule, now what happens when you complete and submit (it only submits if all fields are entered) this form, is a reservation number is issued back to you on the eliminations round you choose (not me) if by chance the maximum number of racers is achieved (12 entrants per eliminations) you will receive a request to do one of two things, stay on that date in the reserve, overflow or to choose within 24 hours a different date, the reason for the 24 hrs is that it protects that persons rights, of first come first served.
Ok so why a reserve or overflow? anticipating a question here
The reason for this is due to no money being required at this time and that the event must have the 120 entrants to proceed with the race, nothing under nothing over.
ex. Say we have 120 interested persons wishing to attend, they filled the form received their reservations, all looks great, until January or February rolls around and the interested parties now have to pay a 20% deposit, this they will have 72 hours to do. After the 72 hour period we move along to the next number in that overflow for that eliminations in the series the numbers were received. But with no overflow to replace those who do not follow through, change their minds, or can't make it for whatever reason, this leaves a problem as its 120 or none. The last thing I want to do Is collect 20% from people having them send it directly to a bank trustee, the issuer of the prizes, and have to go back to him and ask him to return everyone money, having to cancel a event due to cancellations. Oh just a note I will be racing in the first eliminations, I am not any kind of known pro, but I am a good sailor, love the sport, competition and a challenge. I can say 3 years running I am the best my lake has to offer, at least until beaten in our annual challenge, should any of my local competition come across this.
Mary you said,
As I have already said, I think you are sincere in your mission, but you have a long way to go to establish credibility. And I know I am not helping much.
Yes, I trust you are right on this, it is only my hope to overcome this, and establish the required credibility, I thankyou, its all good
TRYNG TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY LINGERING INTEREST?
Probing, checking....
No just someone who asked a question on it, to understand it all better.
That's great, but no boats = no race. I've heard the builder is not capable of producing all of the boats you need before the event. Where are the boats coming from?
My two cents:
- Organizer should not be involved in the racing activities. It must be clear that you are not involved in the way the races are run or who is selected for what.
- Entry fees should not be used for primary prize money. The only exception could be a
50/50 prize
given to a random finisher to encourage everyone to enter. A 50/50 prize would mean that one randomly selected entrant would win 50% of the total entry fees upon completion of the regatta. Since entry fees for regattas around here are usually less than $50, doubling the fees to $100 for a weekend would garner about $1,000 for some lucky entrant (regardless of what finish position), and still leave $1000 for the race organizers to cover expenses. The big prize money from sponsors would be given out separately based on finish position.
- Clear, understandable accounting and budget tracking available to all competitors, sponsors, etc.
- Escrow account tracking and guidelines for distributions, contributions, etc.
I agree that prize money isn't what brings me out to an event. It's the other sailors, the venue, my schedule, and the other things to do (for non-sailors) at the event.
- Organizer should not be involved in the racing activities. It must be clear that you are not involved in the way the races are run or who is selected for what.
- Entry fees should not be used for primary prize money. The only exception could be a
50/50 prize
given to a random finisher to encourage everyone to enter. A 50/50 prize would mean that one randomly selected entrant would win 50% of the total entry fees upon completion of the regatta. Since entry fees for regattas around here are usually less than $50, doubling the fees to $100 for a weekend would garner about $1,000 for some lucky entrant (regardless of what finish position), and still leave $1000 for the race organizers to cover expenses. The big prize money from sponsors would be given out separately based on finish position.
- Clear, understandable accounting and budget tracking available to all competitors, sponsors, etc.
- Escrow account tracking and guidelines for distributions, contributions, etc.
I agree that prize money isn't what brings me out to an event. It's the other sailors, the venue, my schedule, and the other things to do (for non-sailors) at the event.
thanks for your two cents, it will be clear, as it will be the bank handling the funds portion, I will talk more with them on the best ways of doing this. As well the way of relaying the information to all involved.
You do not seem to know enough about what you want to do. It was a good idea to ask around in Internet groups but if you plan to do something outside your area of expertise, it is advisable to hire professional help. Your chances of success are directly related to the reliability, experience and quality of those involved.
A sailing event is a rather complicated act to put together. It is for this reason that most regattas are produced by clubs, fleets or associations, with plenty of infrastructure, employees, funding, experience and sailing contacts.
Marketing is important as well and spelling correctly is part of it.
If you want to do it right, hire a pro and associate your race with a club, fleet, etc. If you want to do it your way, be prepared to fail.
Sailors, sailing equipment and sailing events make a complex and difficult market, but you can still make a small fortune producing races, building boats, making sails, etc. - just start with a big fortune.
And if the scam was a possibility, forget about it.
I'm sorry to say that you are not going to have any luck organizing an event like this. The only people interested in the event would be the top two or three teams that might actually win the event. The rest of the teams would not be interested in making donations to the top team.
The only way an event like this could work is if a sponsor were to provide the prize money. Then the entrance fees would be reasonable and people would be interested in entering to win the sponsors money.
Mike Worrell had been running the race for more than 20 years prior to his attempt to change his event. Worrell no longer participated in the race. While he was charging 5K he was planning on providing about 5K worth of value to each entrant.
This is totally different from what you are planning. I'm afraid to tell you that you won't be getting any interest from the sailors with the event you are planning.
You're right
no boats = no race as no participants also would = no race
The only thing I am prepared to state at this time on these boats is that they will be. The exact details on it I will release, once I fully have it clear myself.
These details will be released prior to any actual registrations or deposits being requested, from anyone.
What you herd is also right, this manufacturer is not capable of building the 12 required boats, they do have other comitments and obligations, that I am sure.
The only way an event like this could work is if a sponsor were to provide the prize money. Then the entrance fees would be reasonable and people would be interested in entering to win the sponsors money.
Mike Worrell had been running the race for more than 20 years prior to his attempt to change his event. Worrell no longer participated in the race. While he was charging 5K he was planning on providing about 5K worth of value to each entrant.
This is totally different from what you are planning. I'm afraid to tell you that you won't be getting any interest from the sailors with the event you are planning.
thank you on your suggestion
A sailing event is a rather complicated act to put together. It is for this reason that most regattas are produced by clubs, fleets or associations, with plenty of infrastructure, employees, funding, experience and sailing contacts.
Marketing is important as well and spelling correctly is part of it.
If you want to do it right, hire a pro and associate your race with a club, fleet, etc. If you want to do it your way, be prepared to fail.
Sailors, sailing equipment and sailing events make a complex and difficult market, but you can still make a small fortune producing races, building boats, making sails, etc. - just start with a big fortune.
good feed back, yes all those you spoke of suggesting I involve, I do intend to involve. including the association and or associations. Each will do thier part when necessary, as necessary.
My suggestion is.....land big tightle sponcer and try to ask Wurld Match Race Toor some questions.
I swore at the outset, to myself, that I wasn't going to post on this thread. This is especially hard for me as pathetically bad spelling is, to me, like a red rag to a bull! This is especially true in the context of this particular thread.
Anyhow, I can't stop myself any longer. The more I've read (on here and SA), the more convinced I am that MJD hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of making this 'dream' work.
To mount such a series, in a place that noone ever seems to have heard of as a recognised sailing venue, without the megabucks backing of a major sponsor in the Volvo/Rolex league AND without acknowledged experts in this field to advise and guide is nothing short of some little wannabe indulging in his own private wet dream, but in public.
I am of the view that discussing this further on this forum, entertaining (in a car smash kind of way) as it is, is a complete waste of everyone's time.
Go away, little man!
Anyhow, I can't stop myself any longer. The more I've read (on here and SA), the more convinced I am that MJD hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of making this 'dream' work.
To mount such a series, in a place that noone ever seems to have heard of as a recognised sailing venue, without the megabucks backing of a major sponsor in the Volvo/Rolex league AND without acknowledged experts in this field to advise and guide is nothing short of some little wannabe indulging in his own private wet dream, but in public.
I am of the view that discussing this further on this forum, entertaining (in a car smash kind of way) as it is, is a complete waste of everyone's time.
Go away, little man!
well Mr. Secretary, F16 Governing Council, I thank you for your so called waste of time, by posting in this thread you swore you would not post in.
These sponsors are coming in nicely, I have no worries here, anything they put up for prizes will be over and above, thanks!
While I am thinking of it, what type of post party celebrations, or any personal new ideas that would be of interest? what would you like to see go on should you be in a town or city, on an event for a one week period?
How about hosting it in a nice
warm
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hot shots
. I normally look at the entry fees to be a donation to the
Sailing Clubs
that will host the event.
I believe that we read this and post because its a slow day and like mentioned before, its like passing a car wreck, you like/want to see the carnage.
Clayton
How about hosting it in a nice
warm
location? <img src=
alt=
/> The Keys would be nice. But, alas, as I am just a regular sailor I won't be putting up money to fund the prize for the
hot shots
. I normally look at the entry fees to be a donation to the
Sailing Clubs
that will host the event.
I believe that we read this and post because its a slow day and like mentioned before, its like passing a car wreck, you like/want to see the carnage.
Clayton
The next one could be held in the keys, should this first one be a success. But in order for that to happen you would have to win this one first, the winner selects where the next host city will be.
How important to you if at all is video coverage, on board cams etc. One thing I thought of including at a sponsor's local venue of nightly events, were to each day have race highlights and interviews put together, and put up on large screen. What are you thoughts and opinions on this?
were you to actually pull off the race, then yes, video is a must.
Check out the video coverage on tybee500.com done by Mister Brian Karr and his vagabond groupies.
Check out the video coverage on tybee500.com done by Mister Brian Karr and his vagabond groupies.
Thanks, and yes I have been in contact with brian.
I cant help myself.
CS: Had to delete the graphic.., it was too large and made reading the thread difficult.'
Rick
These sponsors are coming in nicely, I have no worries here, anything they put up for prizes will be over and above, thanks!
OK, but have you asked the Toor any questions?