Looks like a nice boat...but as soon as you read the word 'rare', you can bet it is over priced.
The price is not too far off but it would need to be in very good condition with no immediate need to:
1) replace the standing rigging (check for any frayed cables on the shrouds and forestay),
2) repair the hulls - check hulls where the trailer rollers contact them. The rollers can tend to dent the hulls there. Make sure there are no soft spots in the hulls.
3) Ensure the rudder gudgeons are in tact and there are no cracks in the transoms.
4) I dont have winged 18 but I am sure there are some here who can tell you what to look for that would be beyond normal wear.
5) repair any structural issues with the trailer. Make sure the cross struts are in good shape.
6) do any major sail repair.
Does the boat have the upgrade crossbar brackets? If not, this could be an issue with the wings. The older design (like my '84) had a bracket at the crossbar ends that fit under the lip of the hull with one bolt. The upgrade has 4 bolts that go through the side of the hull. An older version may also mean the thinner hull. With wings I would urge you to build up the fiberglass where the xbars are connected. What year is the boat? The lower sail number (close to mine) tells me it is about an 84 to 85 boat or they are not the original sails.
The price is on the upper end of what I would pay for that boat - if it was in near excellent condition.
The boat looks nice though from what I can see. I like the way the mast is mounted and I think you would enjoy the wings.
I paid $1,200 for my '84. No major work needed - mostly cosmetic, trailer included which I learned the hard way had structural issues, no wings, older versrion rudder castings, faded vinyl tramp but sound.
Good Luck!!
Edited by sailinagin on Nov 13, 2010 - 09:27 AM.
I think 2-3k is reasonable for that boat depending on condition. In addition to the above recommendations, make sure to check where the cross bars meet the hulls. This is a likely place to have cracking especially with the wings. Mine at the rear crossbar on the inside of the hulls there were cracks that needed to be rapaired. Make sure the wings are not damaged, inspect the weld joints for fatigue. Also condition of the trampolines (main and wings) make a big difference in value. If they all need to be replaced, it could get expensive. Also look for other upgrades, like upgraded main blocks, or things that might need to be upgraded soon. Also check the daggerboard trunks for cracks and possible.
Those wings make the H18 feel like a completely different boat when you sail it.
Yeah after doing a little research on this model boat I think he has it listed a little high. I will wait and see if he drops the price. I am in no hurry and boats like this dont sell around here very fast.
If the description is accurate then I suspect that boat would sell close to that price if it was advertised here in the classifieds. Early winged H18's are indeed hard to find in good condition.
I will be advertsing an '84 hobie 18 magnum on this site soon. How far are you from Ocean Springs, MS?
cat136 beat me to it. was just going to mention delivery/ pick-up costs.
cat136 wrote: I will be advertsing an '84 hobie 18 magnum on this site soon. How far are you from Ocean Springs, MS?
1.25 hours
Why wait to see if he drops the price? The ad says ".price is negociable." Make him an offer,(if that is a boat you want), all he can do is say no. If he really wants to get rid of it it might be surprising what he accepts.
There is an old saying " Don't pass up a good deal while looking for a good deal " More often then not, by the time you have made up your mind, the deal is gone.
HULLFLYER wrote: There is an old saying " Don't pass up a good deal while looking for a good deal " More often then not, by the time you have made up your mind, the deal is gone.
Thats true but there will always be more. I bought my 2007 Getaway ready to sail with trailer for a whopping $2500 in June and I could easily sell it right now for $4500 if I wanted too. I am just looking for a great deal on a boat. If I have another by next season great if I dont oh well. Thanks for all of the replies. 😀
I'll sell you my NACRA Square, with Tilley tilting trailer with sailbox, extra masts, all kinds of extra parts, and a custom designed Glaser main, for a grand LESS than he wants for that h18....
Edited by tami on Nov 14, 2010 - 08:21 AM.
What is a Nacra square? I have never heard of that before. I am still new to all of this so forgive my ignorance 😆 . Do you have any pics?
The 18 Square is a development class boat. Max 18 square meters of sail (hence the name) in any configuration, although most were unirigged for efficiency. Max 5.5 meters (ca.18 ft) length. No maximum or minimum beam. If boat weighs less than 330 lb, category 1, if more than, category 2 (different ratings)
Link to pic under sail, with old sail which has been replaced with aforementioned Glaser/Ullman
<a href=" http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamishel/3025261789/
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Yellow boat in b'ground, Glaser/Ullman sail
http://www.osyc.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2187
The tilt rig is here at thebeachcats (pics are Tilley's personal trailer, I have the 2d prototype)
http://thebeachcats.com/pictures/?g2_itemId=11313
I loved and still love my boat, but I am taken up with the trimaran and Miz Vileine is lonely. She's always taken good care of me, she's a good boat
That thing is a little to big for me. I couldnt get it under the shed. Thanks for the offer though.