box rule drawing

Can you be more specific ? What actually has to be drawn ?

I believe he's referring to this -

http://www.formula16.org/images/stories/diagrams/f16_boxrule_quick_reference_sketch.jpg

Ok, thanks for clearing things out. When does it need to be ready, is it ok if it is vectorized over the raster version ?

First sketch. If anybody else started working on this they should mention it, also it might be a good time to update the drawing with other things (logo). Remarks ?

I know it will be alot more work, but here is an idea that would really well in a brochure.

Is it possible that we have a 3D rendering of an F16 boats enclosed with a wireframe box with dimension arrows/numbers along side in 3D ?

We had such a figure in the past and it looked so bloody good.

It visually explained the name

Box-rule

which suprisingly enough is still not a widely understood concept. And it cuts down on required space by allowing all measurements to be drawn in one single pictures instead of needed three (front view, sideview and top view)

Wouter

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Wouter , everything is possible. And that would be really cool. There are some design copyright issues regarding the boat I assume.

Back to the basic box rule drawing. When do the guys need it ?
It's just a matter of adding the dim lines.

Tony - that should explain it better. <img src=

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Hi Florin,

Thank you very much for your initiative!
If you could have it ready by next Tuesday, I could take it with me to Gulfport.
Otherwise, end of March is ok.

I would propose to start of with the same drawing as we have at the moment to get the flyer finished, from that design onwards (and if everyone involved wants to put the effort into it) we could go for an updated version.

Regars and thanks again!

Gill

Gill,
It might be ready by Tuesday.

Gill, this is what I managed to do so far. I don't know If I got the lines right, the raster version is low res and difficult to read. PM me your email so I can send dwg, 3dm, ai or other. Lineweights can be adjusted in autocad depending on print size. I'll be away for a few days and take the file with me. Hope I find wifi spot.
Good luck

There are a couple of errors in the drawing :

-1- We don't use rated sail area's anymore; max mainsail area (real) = 15.0 sq. mtr. and max jib area (real) = 3.7 sq. mtr. We also don't use the combined area of mainsail+jib anywhere in the class rules anymore.

-2- 104 kg is the minimum weight for the 1-up setup and not for the 2-up setup

-3- The gennaker clew corner is much higher up and maybe you can make the mainsail look more modern with a larger squaretop and a more straight leech.

-4- All F16 jibs are selftacking these days; the draw jib setup is still the old overlapping Taipan 4.9 setup with the blocks halveway down the trampoline.

Wouter

Wouter, thanks for clearing things up. It was done on a hurry. I hope to find some time to adjust things.

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-3- The gennaker clew corner is much higher up and maybe you can make the mainsail look more modern with a larger squaretop and a more straight leech.

-4- All F16 jibs are selftacking these days; the draw jib setup is still the old overlapping Taipan 4.9 setup with the blocks halveway down the trampoline.

Both of which are not class rules.... <img src=

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Still have the option of going to (or staying with) a non self-tacker jib. Could say there are still some advantages to this and depends on what type of racing you do. Reaching with a self-tacker is really crap when you can't get a kite up, and your local club may do a lot of this style of racing. So agree with Marcus' view, and bit of a sweeping statement.

Think the diagram looks great. As long as the measurements are fine, then it fills the purpose.

Hi Florin,

Thank you for the effort. It already looks nice!

Depending on how much work this will take, you could take all Wouters points into consideration, or just the first 2.

Thanks again!

Gill

Yes, but this is going to be part of a promotional package right ?

Better have the depicted boat look modern and truthful to reality right ?

How many car brochures are showing last years model ?

Wouter

Contrasted with what ? 95 % of all registered 2-up F16's having a selftacker now ?

You are just grasping any opportunity to pick on Wouter here.

Come on guys still is just childish !

Wouter

You could edit/quote your posts the same way, but that doesn't really achieve anything in this discussion/thread.

I have my reasons of why I think the Taipan-style jib in some ways is a better option than a self-tacker, and noted those down briefly.

I'm sure you have but what are your reasons to want our promo

rules summary

drawing look outdated by showing an overlapping jib sheeted of the trampoline ?

That is the more interesting question.

Wouter

Why stop then at the jib? Why not continue on with the hulls, they aren't wave-piercing style. Or why not the centreboards, they aren't the high aspect style that we see nowadays. Also why is there a batten on the foot of the mainsail, that ain't modern. Where do you start and stop?

My view is that the design is to show the F16 as a box rule design and what the parameters are for this box. Each manufacturer will then promo themselves what they believe is the best interpretation of this box.

instead of drawing Ronstan hardware why not draw the harken carboes?

Ehhh, you start with the obvious stuff like the contours of the spi, mainsail and selftacking jib and you stop when you run out of the obvious stuff or run out of time and resources.

Currently we still have time and resources, so ....

Actually, adjusting the nose to show a more wave-piercer like hull is a good suggestion Taipanfc, we'll add that one to the list. The drawn daggerboard has an aspect ratio of 3 (Taipan/older Blades 1.8 ; new Blades 4) and are a good average if you ask me.

Wouter

I also believe that if Florin has the time/courage a new style mainsail, selftacking foc and new hull shapes would be good.

It's like Wouter says, the flyer is to promote the class so it's logic to put newer designs.

Regards,
Gill

Gill,
with so many changes the drawing might not be ready by next Tuesday. But I agree the drawing should reflect a more modern boat/sailplan. Taking the changes step by step will require more time. Also the GC should have a say in this (I assume), I mean what the drawing should/shouldn't have. A more modern design -yes, but the drawing still has to be as simple as possible IMHO. This is the way I see it. Will check this thread soon for the mods.

Hi Florin,

I will check it with the GC and use the current boxrule for the brochure at the moment.

Gill

While it would be nice to fully modernise the drawing, we shouldn't allow that to overly-delay the production of the brochure/leaflet.

The wish list:

1. More pronounced 'modern' square-top mainsail
2. Higher aspect jib with or without self tacker
3. A generic hull, styled similar to Blade or Viper with wave piercer bow
4. Remove the lowest batten from the mainsail, add two battens to the jib

Other than these 'wish' items the drawing is fine and needs to be a simple 'at a glance' tool.

Thank you Florin, for doing this for the class, and thank you Gill for organising the flyer!