Class business

Funny, ive been saying this for the longest time. Its in the rules as well. You register UNI you sail UNI, it blows 20 or blows 5kts. None of this

today im racing two up, because its blowing too hard

tomorrow ill race uni because its going to die down

Now because ALTER CUP sailors said something its important to address? How about the F16 CLASS sailors! Again, I personally do not like when some of the F16 sailors choose configurations based on weather conditions. It goes against class rule 4.4.1 A single suit of sails is authorized for the duration of the event. single suitUNI rigged or Sloop

This going to get good.

Guys, re the Handicap in the US for the boat.

if you think it's to easy, go out and win everything and then they will have to change it.

Easy handicap is good!

Go pot hunting my friends!

Well... recreational racing is where I am at these days!!

agreed.. start solo.. get the solo title.. start cat get the cat title.. switchees(?) have fun and enjoy the rum after... Dont make a ban of switching, but lots depends on the deed of gift of the actual title, and switchees they may not get title that is all..

Totally agree, I dont see the handicap changing any time soon. Not until the majority of the US F16 sailors get faster.

The portsmouth number issue is out of our hands.

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Stewart,

start uni, if you win you win

the title

start double, if you win you win

the title

I dont want separate scoring for one up/two up, if that was what you suggested?

all depends on the deed of gift..
Nothing says we cant have a

champion boat

.. Then other titles or trophies in an event..
best female skipper,
best mixed boat,
best solo,
best cat,
best youth..
Whatever the event can handle... Again common sense can be used by the RC...

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Personally I'm perfectly happy with changes in crew IF it is a one design regatta. I think it is a big plus for this class and is a big part of the fun factor. To do it in an open class regatta is a definate no no.

The Portsmouth thing is a can of worms, hard to win that one.

Ed

Certainly you can do that, and in such a setting it can make sense, but one of the core ideas of the class is equal racing one up or two up. Dilluting that is a bad idea in my opinion that is why I wrote what I did.

agreed.. champion boat is the overall winner.. solo or cat at that regatta..

Then I would use

encouragement awards

.. Remembering that the champion boat will also win either the cat or solo award as well... Hell may also win the lady skipper

title

.. But I dont see this as

diluting

the champion boat title..

But watch a kid win a junior

title

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Ed we arent a one design class though.

Changing crews goes against the F16 rules. Unless im reading them wrong. Maybe the GC can clarify this.

Lets not get into the whole portsmouth thing again. The number will correct itself with time. We aren't like some who like to win based on a BS number but I think agressively pushing a lower number is probably not worth the effort. Let the system deal with itself and the number will go down. (besides, if F16s do end up in the top of some portmouth fleets because of this number isn't that good promo for the class for those who don't know any better? <img src=

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I do find it interesting some of the top sailors say the boat is rated too slow... but I think we all knew that. Pick your battles, and this isn't one I would aggressively go after. But then again, I don't actually race much in reality, so you guys do what you want <img src=

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I'm afraid to inform you that you are wrong in this repect. We have covered this area a few weeks back already and answers can be found there.

Only the event rules can prevent crew switching; so use those if you want to limit F16 racing in this respect.

Wouter

Let us clarify what we are talking about when you say

Changing Crews

because I'm not sure. Are you talking about changing one person for another person as crew in a two up configuration, or are you talking about sailing Uni vs. two up?

I believe the situation under discussion is:

1, Start event in 2 up mode and then change to single handed

2, Start single handed and then move to 2 up.

Both not on IMO

Yeah and here in the US usually RC go off what the class rules state.

What does single suit of sails mean then? I am sure im not alone on this one.

I see no reason to regulate this at the class level. As long as we maintain that both configurations can race on a level rating, we have no basis on which to argue that changing configuration mid-regatta creates anything other than fair competition. The suggestion some have made that they would be happier two-up in heavy weather at this point is purely anecdotal. If someone wants to collect some data that suggests a performance differential either way under some conditions then that's fine and we can evaluate it at that time. In the meantime, if someone wants to sail with a friend who is only available for one day of a two day regatta, this is a strength of the class, and we should not, as a default position, make these people feel they have to bend the rules to do it.

OTOH, if a particular event wants to regulate against this, I think that's also fine, and I think a rational case can be made for doing so - if you award a trophy to a boat that switched configurations, is the trophy being awarded to just the skipper even though s/he wasn't solo for the whole event, or to the skipper and the crew even though the crew didn't compete for the whole event? I think an event organizer is entitled to take the view that that's not a scenario they want to face. But for the weekend warrior who's personal goal is to just improve on his or her best fleet position for the season, sure it may all be in fun, but people like to feel they are following the rules - and indeed part of the satisfaction is in doing so. I see no reason to impose restrictions that limit the opportunity for people at the grass roots to enjoy the sport.

I take this to mean you can't use more than a single main, jib or spinnaker - e.g. different sails to suit different conditions. I think that rule deals with a different issue from the one we're talking about here.

I imagine a single suit like taking my powder blue 3-piece suit to my brothers wedding. I can wear any combination of the three although I imagine that I would always be wearing the pants. That is my single suit. No options for changing to my pink suit just because that is what the bridesmaids are wearing.

Robi, on a different topic alltogether, how did you like racing on the Capricorn? To me it looks like a bigger Blade, how did it handle?

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Thats another thread. LOL, Tim its a sweet boat that moves like a refined sports car. Powers up very quickly and the control lines are extremely tidied up on the boat. The engineering behind this boat is TOP NOTCH. A very scary thing is, my wife actually liked the boat a lot more than she liked the blade <img src=

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The boat also moved through the chop without a glitch.

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So to clarify ppls positions...

Prestige Events (Worlds, Nationals) should be a strict one crew configuration only system, however official crew changes like any other class should be allowed (ie. if your crew/skipper is broken beyond repair)

Club racing should be race whichever F16 you bring, 1-up, 2-up, doesn't matter, anything goes, changes are allowed up to the start gun of each race.

Minor Events (States, regional) depends on event committee. Changing between 1-up and 2-up is allowed but cannot win major title, only minor titles (ie. junior, veteran, amateur? etc.)

Selection Events should be conducted as the event being selected for.

OT - Maybe

Pro

and

Amateur

divisions (for want of better terms) can be applied for some regattas. The

Pros

can't change crew configuration except for exceptional circumstances, the

Amateurs

can change. I know of a couple of Aust. classes that have something similar even at National Championships level, the

B

fleet races without spinnakers or with modified crew numbers but starts with the

A

fleet. Just something to think about for some regattas.

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Robi: I hope this is not a rude question but how much do you and your wife weight together?

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Very similar to the Viper, it looks fast sitting still! If I were in the F18 market, you'd have a tough time persuading me on another brand.

Personally I think the F16 designs could overshadow the F18 designs in the next few years..
We currently have

older

Stealth, Tiapan 4.9

upgradies

and mozzies which arent to be sneezed at!! (old in these cases doesn't mean slow!!)
Then adding the Blade and Viper.. And around the

house corner

is the

DS16 mk1 & mk2

and another

new world country

has a group working on a design.. As well as a few individual designs sitting on shores.. Things are looking good..

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