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(@Anonymous 377)
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[#21027]

hi
we have a new Inter 20 and we are getting into the spinnaker business. can any one send some tips about crew and helmsman work: rounding the weather mark & hoisting, snuffing before leeward mark rounding, gybing, etc...

thanks


 
Posted : September 30, 2007 4:47 pm
TEAMVMG
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Snuffer or tramp bag segev?


 
Posted : October 2, 2007 10:34 am
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If you are looking for an introduction to spinnaker sailing on cats in general, rather than the I20 in particular, there is some good information on the Catamaran Sailing DVD available here - http://tillard.georges1.free.fr/


 
Posted : October 2, 2007 11:42 am
(@Anonymous 377)
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snuffer, mid pole


 
Posted : October 5, 2007 1:10 pm
F-18 5150
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Do you know where i can get a copy of that dvd?


 
Posted : June 5, 2008 2:28 pm
Nacra inter 20
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Hello, I find that the holding force on the spinakersheet is very high. my sheet runs from the spinaker through the ratched block on the sidestay and then trough a small block on the front beam to my crewmember. He is complaning over the amount of pulling force on the sheet. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to lower this force?


 
Posted : December 7, 2008 12:01 pm
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Yes, put a second ratchet block where the small block is.


 
Posted : December 7, 2008 1:36 pm
(@Anonymous 37750)
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I beleive that you can

double

the block on the sail to releive this issue.


 
Posted : December 7, 2008 8:40 pm
Nacra inter 20
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My sheets is attached fix at the spinaker and from there the sheet runs trough the ratchedblock and then trough the small block at the front beam. Someone else suggested a second ratchedblock on the beam and that sounds to me as a simple but maybe sufficient solution.
Otherwise I have to try your solution. Thanks for the advise!


 
Posted : December 8, 2008 12:09 pm
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Two ratchet blocks make it a bit easier, but is your crew having difficulties in trimming the spinnaker, or holding it once it is trimmed?

As you know, spinnaker work is pretty constant (easing and trimming) and has to be coordinated with course changes by the helm.

I have found that in certain cases where we are pointing too high in order to fly the hull downwind, it is very difficult to trim the spinnaker (most likely because it's already as flat as it can be). If you are aware of your sailing angle when the crew is complaining, it may indeed be pretty high.

Either that, or your crew is like me and complains too much! <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : December 8, 2008 12:48 pm
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Sometimes no matter what you do, your crew will complain! <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : December 8, 2008 1:13 pm
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I found the Agard videos on YouTube very helpful. There are about 4 of them. Here's one. Just query YouTube for the others.
Agard 2


 
Posted : December 9, 2008 4:41 pm
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How old is your spinnaker? More than a season I bet - its blown out, get a new one.


 
Posted : December 10, 2008 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Sometimes no matter what you do, your crew will complain! <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" />

I believe that is in my job description!

Glad to see your showing at Steeple. Any recap of what you did right/wrong? Did you do the

slog of shame

at Anne's Beach? Pick up any nice lobster pots on day 2?

How'd your crew fare? Is he up for 5 days of that stuff? <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />


 
Posted : December 22, 2008 1:01 pm
Nacra inter 20
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It is winter now in the Netherlands, but in april we start again. I can hardly wait, and try out the extra ratchet block for the genaker.


 
Posted : January 21, 2009 12:48 pm
Nacra inter 20
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Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
How old is your spinnaker? More than a season I bet - its blown out, get a new one.

Haha if money was no issue I would get a new one right aaway, but as most of us, I sail with a budget. Don't you have this problem? No, without kidding, the spinaker is fine, not blown out, but 25 sqm. is a lot on a single line!
A second ratchetblock is worth trying, I have a spare one lying around.


 
Posted : January 26, 2009 10:58 am
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So how old is it?
I spent 2 seasons with an early nylon kite on my 20 and kept telling myself that it was fine. got a new kite and no-one could touch us!


 
Posted : January 26, 2009 1:02 pm
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Dammit, I really did not need to read that... I just plunked down $4k on a a jib and main... What does a good spi go for?


 
Posted : January 27, 2009 9:13 pm
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I run it from a block at the fore beam and then to a second beam at the shroud. The first block runs free and the second is a ratchomatick.


 
Posted : January 29, 2009 11:12 pm
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Eric,

I pd $950 for a new spin for the HT from Jay and Pease Glaser at the beginning of last season. Am very pleased with it.

Dave


 
Posted : February 1, 2009 9:08 pm
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Kite tips, at the windward mark start hoisting earlyier than you think, this applys more if your racing with a spreader mark, by doing this you have more kite out of the chute by the time you round the mark and then its easier to get the last bit up and get going which also avoids you being rolled by boats behind you.
Gybing wise try and float the kite round so its filled the whole way round.When your out triming the kite on the wire always make sure that the hand you have any wraps round is not the one you use to grab the handle (in my case i put the wraps around my back hand as downwind i use my backhand to get in.)


 
Posted : February 4, 2009 4:22 pm
(@Anonymous 37750)
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Gracias mon senior.


 
Posted : February 7, 2009 9:29 pm
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