Global warming

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Clayton

Global warming is a good thing. .....more water and more wind! : )

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But do those

pros

outweigh the long list of

cons

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1) Increased evaporation
2) Extreme Weather
3) Destabilization of local climates
4) Rise in sea levels, temperatures, acid rain, and decrease/shutdown of thermo-circulation
5) Change in ecology
6) Glacier retreat
7) Methane release from melting permafrost
8) Forest fires
9) Polar Icecap Melt
Those are just environmental issues related to the potential effects of Global warming.

Economic:
1) Decline in agriculture
2) Insurance
3) Flood defense
4) Migration
5) Water scarcity

Health wise we get in to the potential for new strains of disease and more people with such issues as asthma.

I’m currently a student at a university that is very dedicated to sustainable development and environmental issues. I get the opportunity to watch debates about environmental problems including global warming on a regular basis and the issue should of concern to the world. Some believe its just a gimmick and such. But scientists and researchers really to believe its slowly creeping up on us and when it does start to affect us personally at a higher degree it will be to late to take action.

I don’t want to get in to details but those are just my 2 cents.

The thing that bothers me most about the nay sayers is that; even if there is no global warming we still benefit from

green

technology.

The benefits of clean air and water should be self-evident. Saving money at the gas pump or on home heating and cooling should be no brainers.

I don't argue that global warming isn't happening, what I argue is the severity, and the actual cause. Any one who takes up a cause is doing so to make themselves feel better. Global warming is just the latest of trendy, feel good, crusades for people to take up. Save the rain forrest, what ever happened to that?

rise in sea level, glacial retreat, polar ice cap melt all sound like the same thing?
You do realise I was joking???
THe point is this. Permafrost in the Ukrain is melting.
The weather is changing. It does not matter why now. This train is not going to be stopped by an economic attitude that will take too long to help. It is now about what we do to survive. These temperature changes have been tracked in the old ice patterns etc. They do not take thousands of years as was once thought. One hundred years from now, maybe fifty the World will be a very different place. Will our electronics etc survice the crazy weather???? Agriculture etc etc.

20 foot rise. A 2 foot rise would do it. The level is not so much the problem. It is the temperature and where the currents take those tempuatures.

I don't care. I have no children and will have been looking at the lid a long time by then.

Sail now, sail fast.

That would require capitalism out and socialism in. no chance. If the man can make millions out of dirty tech and build a big weather proof home he will.
I am all right Jack.
Do we sailors care about the envioroment because we use it? Maybe more sailing would help. I will go out now and do my bit.

Hers a good doco from Nat Geo the times and dates for viewing are for the Australian and NZ market only.

Very interesting veiwing with some merit and good evidence to support thier claims.

12.00pm The Big Freeze

Earth has plummeted into periods of intense cold, time after time. Some of these drops in global temperature are caused by volcanic eruptions. Despite only lasting a few years, they have the power to cause huge social and political upheaval across the entire world. But the oceans can trigger far bigger, thousand-year freezes. These have the power to trigger mass extinctions and global catastrophes. Worryingly, recent evidence suggests we might be heading towards one of these freezes and, in a bizarre twist, the thing that could trigger it is global warming.

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25 March, 6.30pm

25 March, 11.30pm

10 April, 10.30pm

11 April, 2.30am

11 April, 3.00pm

14 April, 12.00pm

So which is worse -- a big freeze or a big thaw?

Both would be just as bad for different reasons...

If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.

You and your infantile avatar are why the ignore button was invented.

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It's pretty much accepted as a possibility that there is potential that several symptoms of global warming could impact the ocean currents (sudden inflow of fresh water from melting ice reducing the salinity of the ocean water near the poles is one theory I've heard repeatedly). If the currents were to change or shut down, it will dramatically impact global temperatures servicing to make the middle of the earth hotter and the poles exceptionally colder.

This is a quick read and will 'splain a lot.

Oh boy, I'm so in your face aren't I. Here, I'll change the avatar just for you, or are the penguins to intusive to you?

Thank you.

So, how would you know what makes me feel good?

Global warming, destruction of rainforest and general habitat degradation aside. What do you have against saving money at the gas pump? Or saving money to cool and heat your home?

Either I'm going blind or you posted a Rorschach Test.

i have only read a small part of this, but just because somthing is annoying dousent make it untrue, i get annoyed by rich middleclass men who drive big cars, flying round the world telling us not to fly and drive big cars but the science fairly overwelming, we don't need to stop enjoying our selves just be a bit more sensible with pur enegy use, and invest in low carbon tecnologies

vegetable rights and peace - rich

I can go along with that!

Clayton

It is not what one knows or what one knows one does not know but WHAT ONE DOES NOT KNOW ONE DOES NOT KNOW that is important. The people who thought the World was flat did not know they did not know it was roundish.

was that intuitive or intrusive.
What is an avitar?
Just kdding I have a friend caught up in Avitar. She has told me...and told me...and told me.

We are dealing with people who do not think past their low self esteem, huge ego and gread. To open their minds and reevaluate who they are and what they belive to be true is a tough task with them facing what would be called a

rock bottom

. This would be something like a bigger version of

Katrina

. It would have to happen in their back yard, pick up their SUV and throw it into the next county, leaving them standing in nothing but their underpants.

Save you breath and sail. Remember, we all know that is cool and it is our similarities that can bind us..

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Okay, so global warming is going to cause an ice age, which means I don't have to worry about whether my house in the Keys is going to be under water?

So is it global COOLING that is going to cause everything to melt and cause the water level to rise in the ocean?

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Intrusive. I aen't spel sew gudd.

If it weren't for the media and politician's, global changes like this would go unnoticed, other than comments like

the last few winters have been pretty mild

. I live in the middle of a continent so wild weather is the norm. its 60 today, 3 weeks ago we had two feet of snow on the ground, a month before that it didn't get above zero for almost a month. Thats cold. Weather is complex, and so many things sculpt it in to what it was, is, and is going to be. There is a rebuttal for every circumstance. Warmer temps mean more water vapor in the atmosphere causing a higher albido (not libido) reflecting more of the sun's energy back into space. There are literaly thousands of scenarios that are that simple. Watch the news tonight, watch the weather forecast for tomorrow and tell me how close it is. The people doing the weather are scientists. They can't tell you with much accuracy whats going to happen in the next 24 hrs much less the next twenty years.

Saturday Morning. It is 20 froom the SouEast and my sail is having a birthday with the sailmaker. Can't get onto the water until Tuesday.... So I am hear writing....wishing...

I was just thinking

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I aggree that some events..like Katrina..might just have been a big unhappy time thing....bad weather has always happened and people did say the levies were not going to hold.

But overall temps do seem to be going up.

Conspiracy people I know ask what happened to the plane that hit the pentagon...when they do I ask what happened to the plane that took off that day with peoples loved ones in it and was tracked on radar untill half a K from the pentagon and then disappeared.
I am very left wing but to knowingly defend such wicked nonsense is not helpful.

Lady Di was murdered... That's how I would assasinate someone. I would get in a tiny white Fiat, somehow make sure the driver of the Giant speeding Merc was drunk and then run it off the road....in my tiny white fiat. I had been planning that idea for months.

We live in a World where common sense and truth do run run parrellel with making money. While money remains how we attempt to find happiness and virtue and self we will live in a World where Anna Nicole is thought of as beautiful... I just don't think that greed and panic which are how the West runs its civilisation, if you can all it that, will clear the muddy waters of global warming in any way.

Global Warming and carbon credits are the next big rip off of the masses. They are looking right now for where they will put the drip into us all and start the blood flowing.

We don't register our boats here. We don't have boat licences of any sort. When I am on the water I am entirely my own man and I love that my boat and the wind and the water represent real and present truth and self reliance.

With their lies and mendacity our leaders destroy our love of our fellows and we fall into a dark place of fear and cunfusion. Fear and confusion make us easy to manipulate. The corruption of truth starts at the top.

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