IBM built the entire system, Gates (et al)only created the operating system (DOS = DUMB operating system)
Gates was brilliant and lucky that IBM went along with it, and they (MS) kept the licensing rights.... and leased it to IBM
And IBM subsequently got out of the pc business all together.
Directly, yes, I agree 100%. But its those rich bastards that give the rest of us tools something to do, and something to spend with. Just about any company, in any industry can grow, and play command and conquer with their competition. There are very few Cornelius Vanderbuilts, Henry Fords, Sam Waltons, James Hills, Andrew Carnegies, or Larry Ellisons in the world. It takes brains, luck, leadership and a serious work ethic to become a captain of any industry, and it gets harder all the time. The opportunities aren't there like they were two hundred years ago. Labor costs, regulation on all fronts, and taxation make it really tough to run a small business before you even take competition into consideration.
Every market has a niche that can be exploited, and used to grow into other regions of your discipline or to expand into others. I've found mine, people who spend more on there kitchens than I did on my entire house. (and then some)... But I have no luck, I'm a horrid leader, and I ain't all that bright. Work ethic is the only thing dragging my company through the mud. I also have no illusions of grandeur, I won't be taking the corporate jet to Monaco anytime soon. I also don't want to employ a few thousand people, hell just a couple of idiots on the payroll makes me want to go dig the requisite number of holes in a field somewhere.
The forrest thing isn't a real great analogy, because when the markets are burning down, thats when the big tree's in business make a killing.
When there is blood in the streets, buy land
is one of the most solid statements there is. You just have to have the smarts to know when to hang your butt out with risk, and when to rein it back and buckle down for the ever impending sh*t storm lapping at your door.
Keep in mind though, on a long enough timeline, the end result of capitalism is a monopoly. We'll all be working for Wal-Mart someday. Thankfully wars, death, and revolutions keep things in check nicely.
If I'm going to indulge your flawed metaphor/analogy/whatever it is...
What liberals want to do is cut down the big trees to make fertilizer for the saplings.
Doesn't seem like the optimal solution to me.
As for percentage of incomes back into the economy, I don't doubt it. Where is that income coming from? The fruits of their labors - which overwhelmingly comes from the machinations of the private sector economy (well, for now it does). One of the many important cogs of the private sector is capital investment by those evil evil EVIL rich guys (like Bain -- another skeleton in the boogeyman closet for you to demonize no doubt)
Jake,
Its also the big trees that survive, that drop the acorns that sprout the next generation of the forest.
no, you need the birds that poop the undigested seeds from other areas to start the forest, right? If they can make it across the forest, that is... and have their bird-cards.
or the coconuts that float over ....
sweet... we started another thread of useless political drivel... because there's not enough out there already...
Its also the big trees that survive, that drop the acorns that sprout the next generation of the forest.
OK, I agree that analogy has gone far enough ;-)...although, I am picking up a few acorns with my graphics business, my home business was not born from one.
Hell, I can go on but I know you guys aren't going to recognize or compromise on any points so I wont waste my time or yours.
Gates was brilliant and lucky that IBM went along with it, and they (MS) kept the licensing rights.... and leased it to IBM
Posting anyone's point is never a waste of time. Regardless of agreement or not, I like to know other opinions to help me understand more about both side's arguments. (Percieved) right or wrong, everyone's opinion is worth something.
Posting anyone's point is never a waste of time. Regardless of agreement or not, I like to know other opinions to help me understand more about both side's arguments. (Percieved) right or wrong, everyone's opinion is worth something.
Ruling out Lee's opinion...
+1
Its also the big trees that survive, that drop the acorns that sprout the next generation of the forest.
OK, I agree that analogy has gone far enough ;-)...although, I am picking up a few acorns with my graphics business, my home business was not born from one.
Hell, I can go on but I know you guys aren't going to recognize or compromise on any points so I wont waste my time or yours.
I figured you'd just been listening to RUSH (not limbaugh).
And Yes the analogy sucked.
The Trees
There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas
The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade
There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
'The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light'
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw
So the money you made at your corporate job was not used to build the Garage Mahal and start your business?
Somehow, a thread about SPAM got worse...
You're welcome!
Catsailor is dead as a cat sailing forum, however it has swerved into a place where MORONS can rant about CRAP that haunts their daily lives.
I think everyone ought to just go sailing. Kick butt on the race course...not here.
Welcome to the discussion.
Welcome to the discussion.
+1 <img src="<>/crazy.gif" alt="crazy" title="crazy" height="15" width="15" />
Morons spewing Crap?
Did someone call my name??
It feels so empty without me... http:/
I dare you to stay with it to the end!
Pete, you meant this Rush clip, right?
http:/
I was going to say welcome to the internet.
I think we've discussed cat sailing enough. Damn near everyone knows everyone else on here. We're just outta topics, outta good ideas. We've come full circle.
You mean...we've...reached the END of the Internet??
Damn, now we're gonna have to go back!
Damn, now we're gonna have to go back!
Back to the beginning.
So the money you made at your corporate job was not used to build the Garage Mahal and start your business?
not discussing...just correcting
Actually no...the business I bought and built (with a loan from a relative...that I paid back with subsequent business proceeds) in 1999 has built the 'mahal. My wife gets all the proceeds from my corporate job. <img src="<>/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin" height="15" width="15" /> ... which is also a situation that likely has me tethered to a corporate job so she can have health insurance.
HAHA nice video Timbo.
I think you should be declared KING OF YOUTUBE
Damn, now we're gonna have to go back!
well, the END is December 21, 2012, so that makes sense. Go see the movie, Timbo. You house gets wasted. So does mine. Don't worry about mortgage payments anymore
Anyone want to give me their Gunboat 60? Or even their F-24 mk2?
Hey, I was out today on the lake for 2 hours of upwind-downwind fun, working on trapping downwind with the kite. At first it was blowing about 15 gusting to 20, then after about 4pm it started to drop off quite a bit, so I came in, but it was great fun while it lasted. Now it looks like glass out there...but at least Debbie brought the lake up a foot or two.
We are still way below 'normal' though, could use another 4 feet in the lake. I just hope it doesn't come all at once with 100+mph winds, like it did in 2004!
And Jay, if I can skip my mortgage payments, I can go out and buy the Gunboat now! You want in?
We can tow the Moms and kids in the dinghy!
HAHA nice video Timbo.
I think you should be declared KING OF YOUTUBE
What, you think I'm funny? What do you mean, the way I talk? Funny how? Am I a clown to you? Do I amuse you? Like I'm here to amuse you??
What do you mean?
Funny how?
http:/
Pete, here's a good Rush song for you:
http:/
Tom Sawyer built a raft and floated down a river with a black guy...
I am Getty Lee and I'll sing what ever lyrics I want!
Ahhhh...rush. Best show I think I've seen (although stupidly too loud in Cleveland). Presto tour...Neil Pert- extended snare rat a tat after a lengthy solo with a rotating drum set bounces a drum stick off the snare up into the light rigging, stands up, faces the crowd, sticks his arm out, catches the drum stick, and they rip into the next song. Awesome.
Cow Palace - 1964 - Beatles
It wasn't the best show I ever saw but it was probably the most memorable.
I think we've discussed cat sailing enough. Damn near everyone knows everyone else on here. We're just outta topics, outta good ideas. We've come full circle.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47957186
Once seen as the land of opportunity, the U.S. today is grappling with rising inequality and a political system that benefits the rich at the expense of others, resulting in lower growth and risking the death of the American dream, according to Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.