Want to be heard? Here is your chance...
We are trying to get the word out to as many multihull sailors as possible. Hopefully, you will also receive this message through the normal Multihull Council channels (Area Reps, class chairs, etc.).
Please forward this to every multihull sailor in your network, class, fleet or club. We want literally every multihull sailor in the country to participate. Time is of the essence!!!
Here is your opportunity to weigh in on what many consider to be the most important “product” that US Sailing offers to multihull sailors, the US Multihull Championship for the Hobie Alter Trophy (aka the Alter Cup). Here is a link to a short survey that will be open through Monday, the 20th of February: https:/
As you may know, I became Chair of the US Sailing Multihull Council in October 2011. Since then, lots of great things are happening. One of them is a renewed focus on ensuring that the US Multihull Championship is a relevant event with a strong future. The Multihull Council is working to rebuild the event with the US Multihull Championship Committee, which itself is being reconstituted.
The leadership of US Sailing wants to transform the US Multihull Championship into the most relevant multihull event in the United States, one that will attract new and upcoming sailors, who will form the nucleus of future US Olympic sailors.
To that end, Jack Gierhart, Executive Director of US Sailing, has directly asked me, “What do the multihull sailors want?” So, here is your opportunity to provide your opinions on the future of this championship.
Nothing is impossible, and nothing is off the table. However, the harsh reality is that the economic environment in which we currently operate is making it increasingly difficult to hold the event within the current format and funding structure. So, we either need to find additional revenue streams, change the format, or both.
The survey is composed of questions that are intended to get the creative juices flowing. We have been canvassing sailors all winter, and are really taking a long, hard look at all aspects of the event. We would like to hear from all multihull sailors around the country, even if you have never participated in this event.
As you know, there currently is no Alter Cup championship announced for 2012. A bid is in the works, and the intent of the survey is to come up with a long-term (5-year) plan, so we can return some stability to the planning of this event.
We are at an unprecedented moment in the history of the US Sailing Multihull Council. We are working hard and achieving a renwed cooperative relationship with the leadership at US Sailing. We are working on a number of things, including a revamp of our website, a new Youth multihull program, and of course, ensuring the success of the Alter Cup. We will be announcing a Spring meeting (teleconference) shortly to discuss further business for the 2012 season and beyond.
Remember, the survey is only open through Monday, the 20th of February. We want to hear from you! Your opinions will shape the future. Thank you for your time.
Mike Levesque
Chair, US Sailing Multihull Council
I sent it to the Eastern Area F18 google group and posted it to our Facebook page. Hope you get some good feedback.
Thanks Jeff.
To all: I am totally OK with you posting links elsewhere (the more, the merrier), but please link to the following page so they can read the intro:
http:/
Anything you can do to emphasize the short window would be great, too.
Thanks.
Mike
Completed survey, and forwarded to Hobie Cat Division 4.
What do you think most people will want to do with the USSA multihull championships?
Shared with Division 3 and SFF-18
Well, I think we're in the position of starting over and will list some of things, in no particular order I'd like to see.
* MEGA PAR-TAY!
* THE CHAMPIONSHIP should probably be sailed on formula or OD boats on a rotating basis. IMO, personal or chartered boats should be allowed. I think the land based rigging portion is as much a racing skill as on water performance. Otherwise we should just use Sunfish.
* Some sort of on site qualification- finish in top 50% (or whatever) or get flicked. Have a huge consolation race for us mere mortals on one day and clear the water for the top sailors and the championship round.
Mostly, we have a chance to come together as a group and get rid of some of the old animosities. Let's make the best of it.
I'd nominate the H-16 as the initial class for this new championship. It got us here, why not recognize our history?
Done, but man, that has got to be one of the longest surveys I have ever done!
Very thorough, thanks for taking the time to set that up!
I will make the counter argument.
Mutlithulls OD classes are different then dinghy OD classes. We have much more of a tradition of working and racing each other. For example, many sailors started on Hobie 14, moved to 16, an 18 a 20 and perhaps back to a 17. Laser sailors do not have much in common with 505 sailors.
We have one design or Formula NA's in the major classes. Picking a OD boat and running a smaller 20 boat championship for the US Sailing championship duplicates the national scene.
I would say the US multihull championship should be a bring your own boat Handicap regatta in one of three disciplines.
Singlehanded, Doublehanded Sloop and Double handed Spinnaker.
Rotate every year...
The Area Championships would match the format of the National championship (Singlehanded) and winning the regional championship gets you a huge discount on a charter boat for the nationals. (Builders would support the championship just as they do now... since they could drop the spin or jib as needed on most of the boats they buld)
The EU essentially does this now.. CARNAC is a huge event with large handicap starts and is essential a run what ya burng EU championship.
Um, I don't want to address any of your appoints in counter argument, as I think it premature. Clarification is needed?
Continuing the conversation:
* Imo, MEGA-PAR-TAY should be the underlying rationale. The Championship should coalesce around a social event. Those of us not able to seriously compete could still celebrate the PROCESS as well as the winner.
* To keep things simple, implementing as few changes as possible at any one time, why not let the HCA (as I've nominated them ) host the Alter Cup as part of their 16 Nationals? Let the one event serve both purposes.
Would you go to the Hobie 16 NA's/ US Sailing Championship and charter a Hobie 16 to compete if you race an A cat?
Double branding some regatta makes no sense to me.
RE a big party... How far have you ever driven and how much time would you allocate for a Big Party. I think the social is clearly secondary to championship competition. You have to get that right first.
Anything handicap is nothing more than a variation of the now defunct One of a Kind championship. With the mess handicap racing is it's hard to believe this type of format is even being considered. Can you imagine having the N20's and any F boats in the same grouping, they are spin boats after all so everyone should be in favor, right? A measurement based handicap system will not fix the issue.
You've also pointed out that it's difficult for someone to trade their class's championship for the US Multihull Championship. So what you'll probably end up with is a DBS Championship and does that really give us a champion?
Double branding some regatta makes no sense to me.
RE a big party... How far have you ever driven and how much time would you allocate for a Big Party. I think the social is clearly secondary to championship competition. You have to get that right first.
I've driven as far as Spring Fever, maybe 600 miles? I agree with you, people have to decide if they want a dead serious championship event or a social gathering.
I favor a socially driven championship because that's the only way I can get in! <img src="<>/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh" height="15" width="15" />
+1
But I can imagine all manner of boats showing up to party, sail a couple of days and then spectate at the Championship.
We sorta had this format at Tradewinds, I thought it worked well.
You guys are certainly free to discuss this forever here, but the official way to have your voice heard is through the survey.
That survey carries even more bang than picking up the phone and calling me (which only one or two of you have done)...
Said another way, if you really care about the future of this event, start with completing the survey!!!
Mike
Did it at 7AM this morning and I signed it. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Completed last evening.
Done.
If you go over the results and say
wow this is one jaded SOB
then thats mine.
Enligten us. Let us hear the wisdom of the
Manly Corpus.
Mess??? only because we refuse to fix the US system.
how about some facts. ... The rest of the world races handicap with huge turnout numbers.... Hell... the Tai regatta was bigger then 90 percent of US multihull regattas. EU events like Carnac and Texel... where each handicap class is bigger then US NA's in most classes. Carnac is almost an interclass EU Multihull championship.
Now you get to the fundamental issue.... you have no respect for those sailors... you would not waste your time competing against them for any championship. ... in fact... if the event were held on Hobie 16's with spins.... would you participate?
IMO, the only solution to a US Multihull championship is for the One design classes to fully support the idea. Make a hole in the schedule / replace a One design regatta with a modified qualifier and make it clear that the class would like it's top dogs to compete in the cat fight/US sailing Championships. The machinery should then work to solve the geographical issues with charter boats.
For the US multihull championships to succeed, they must be different then NAs and be founded on mutual respect.
Otherwise... they should just go away.
For the US multihull championships to succeed, they must be different then NAs and be founded on mutual respect.
Anyone who spends any amount of time here knows that Mark and I usually disagree on most things. Typically, only Wouter can wind me up more. <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />
However, this is one of the best points that anyone has made, ever.
We all know that literally every decision point involving format and qualification of the event has pros and cons, some of which people will lose their minds over. Realistically, there is no magical combination that will make everyone happy.
BUT, if Mark’s above concept is truly taken to heart by US Sailing and all of the classes and sailors, the rest would be easier for anyone to swallow.
Mike
It's unusual for you to miss a point so badly. The H16 is by no means a dead boat! It's one of the most aggressively raced platforms on the planet and for you to use it as an example to discredit my opinion reflects poorly on you.
To answer your question would I race a H16 at the Alter Cup? If I qualified for the championship you better believe it! I'd also do it on a Wave, Sunfish, Laser or whatever else could be sailed straight up... you know since you're asking
IMO a dead boat is any class that can no longer field a National Championship. If you believe the top talent is still hanging around in a class that can't support a national championship anymore you're simply living in denial.
You make a point that non US countries are all about sailing handicap... without spending any time there it's impossible for me to speak to that point. My impression of the Tai regatta was it was more about the equipment that was there and not about the sailors that competed, based on the posts on this forum. This point is true for every handicap regatta, it always seems to be about the equipment first and the actual accomplishments of the sailors gets lost. I'm not interested in an equipment show.
Anyone who spends any amount of time here knows that Mark and I usually disagree on most things. Typically, only Wouter can wind me up more. <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" />
However, this is one of the best points that anyone has made, ever.
We all know that literally every decision point involving format and qualification of the event has pros and cons, some of which people will lose their minds over. Realistically, there is no magical combination that will make everyone happy.
BUT, if Mark’s above concept is truly taken to heart by US Sailing and all of the classes and sailors, the rest would be easier for anyone to swallow.
Mike
Mike, sounds like you and Mark have made up your minds.
I view T-winds as sort of a family reunion - a dysfunctional, alcoholic, pathalogically lying, Tourette's syndrome kind of family reunion... on boats
I should not have personalized the argument... my apology.
The point I wanted to make is that the SNOB factor comes into play when you try to fill out the fleet for the US sailing championships....Fact is... many of the top sailors (previous USSA championship racers) did not enter the championships when the Hobie 16 was used. I heard a lot of complaints to this effect.
When participation is skewed one way or the other... (no doubt by choice of many of the individual sailors (not you)) the championship is diminished.
Yes, I've made up my mind: Nothing is off the table, and that goes in all directions.
We need to hear all the opinions so we can decide on the best path forward.
Just like in Race Management, there are always three basic options when faced with a challenge: Do Nothing, Abandon the Race, or something in between.
My contribution to the future of the event is to get the opinions through this survey, which we will then use to recommend where to go next: No change, complete rework (I don't subscribe to eliminating the event), or something in between.
Mike
I view T-winds as sort of a family reunion - a dysfunctional, alcoholic, pathalogically lying, Tourette's syndrome kind of family reunion... on boats
ROFLMAO! Luv it!
Gentlemen,
Let me just play
Devil's Advocate
here ...
You don't like
Handicap racing
??? ....
Well since the Hobie 18 is the best Racing/Beach Cat EVER designed, built and raced competitively ... ALL future
Multihull Championships
should be held using TheMightyHobie18's ... (IMHO)
... that doesn't work for you??? You happen to like a different manufacture's boat? I happen to like my boats ... and currently don't have the funds to purchase the newest/latest/shinest multihull that was just introduced ... soooooo .... you can sell what you have and purchase a boat like mine, and then we can race One-Design ....
(A good word to look up in the Webster's Dictionary at this point would be .... Ethnocentricity ...)
Mike L and Marc S are trying to make
some progress
in addressing the always changing and future parameters of our sport .... and I have and will support their efforts ...
Note: I have driven 6hrs (one-way) to a One-Design Regatta only to have no other TheMightyHobie18's show up for that event ... and was sent home ....
I'll race
handicap
... it sure beats being sent home ... or ... staying at home and mowing the lawn for something to break the boredom ....
Harry
For the record, I'm the one who injected the H16 in the discussion. It appears that was a mistake. My apologies.
Still, I've never been in upstate NY and would welcome an excuse to go up there.
I did not say ALL of the EU... I pointed to TWO huge regattas that have huge support year after year. This is not a false choice between one design and handicap. The rest of the world's sailors take a mature open minded view of handicap racing..... they don't believe it's an equipment show as you assert that all handicap regattas are. They are happy to compete at Carnac around the cans for the championship of a handicap class.
So my point is that a focused handicap regatta (eg. single handed championship) for the US Sailing championship is a reasonable option. It is just as valid as our previous system where the Alter cup is equivalent to the Olympics as the NA's are equivalent to the worlds.
How well each one serves the goal is a whole other matter.
PS.... of course I have opinions and I try to persuade you that I am right.... Last I looked... nobody made me king.. and the most I have to do with the survey is contribute what questions I thought should be asked.