Hi, I´m a former Tornado sailor and i want to sail catamaran again. (This summer i´m 40 <img src=
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On a forum in sweden F16 is very popular.
I'm a recent convert to the Shadow from Swell Catamarans - a high performance singlehander, with spinnaker. It's light (99Kg) and well put together. As the baby sister to the Spitfire, it is a dedicated singlehander, although it has room for a passenger. There's no jib and only one trapeze, so the 'passenger' option is for recreation only.
As ever, you will need to decide what sort of sailing you will do. If you are competing, go with the crowd, if it is liesure on a budget, maybe the H16 or smaller, and if you're competitive with the occasional crew, an F16 looks like a good design. However, being
competitive with the occasional crew
may be more difficult than you think - you both need to know what you're doing, especially on the smaller boats with a kite.
Take a look round the forum - there's loads of advice along these lines.
Thank´s Simon. I will check the Shadow.
Sounds like an F16 would suit your needs well, though your budget will play a role in the decision - there are not yet many second-hand F16's around.
Mark.
Freetime, where are you based?
F 16 or just the trusty Taipan 4.9 for a cheaper FAST cat. Light, designed as a one man/two man boat, easy to right and you can always sail with the big jib when alone for more fun.
If you were sailing the old Tornados the F16 will be as fast as your old ride ever was.
Scooby simon.
Im based in Sweden, or lake malaren close to stockholm.
Im based in Sweden, or lake malaren close to stockholm.
OK, anyone local who could take you for a sail when it warms up ?
There should be. I think there are now 3 F16's in Sweden. Two Stealth F16's and one Taipan F16.
Wouter
Only 3? But do you have any info on the boats or owner of the swedish f-16?
Scooby Simon: I will probably go to UK in april?!
That I know of. However Sweden is not really a beach cat hot spot, you won't find many boats of any modern classes except maybe A-cats. And of course each new class starts small. This is the start of F16 in Sweden.
I used to but I think you can best contact Rolf Nilsen (Norway) via the F16 forum :
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or go direct to his profile :
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Rolf is building two F16's in Norway with a friend, in Finland 3 F16's are being completed, and I think Rolf gethered the names and contact info of all in order to make a start for the F16 class in Scandinavia.
If this approach doesn't then come back to me and I'll dive deep into my archive to retrieve the names and e-mails.
Good luck.
Wouter
In Sweden I know of Pontus Löfgren in Bjärred and Alf Svensson in Gothenburg. If you check Pontus profile, you will find his e-mail there. I dont know the e-mail for Alf.
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Have a look on F-16 frapper map if you want to see the hotspots: http:/
The F-18 class is pretty successful in Sweden, while their presence is almost non-existent here in Norway. There is also a H16 class and a small Tornado class in Sweden.
Valteri and I spoke briefly about a scandinavian F-16 class quite some time ago, and Hans came back to me on that just some days ago. I dont know what what will happen with that yet. We might decide to go both ways, separated or united.. Anyway, swedes, finns danes or anybody else are always welcome to race with us in Norway and we will no doubt go to Sweden and Denmark if there is activity there. We can discuss this further in the F-16 forum if there is interest.
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Have you had a look at the Nacra 500?
From memory, but I'm quite sure that both Pontus and Alf have Stealth F16's. The 3rd person is Magnus and he is located near Stockholm and has a Taipan 4.9 with F16 spinnaker.
I stand corrected and I readily admit that I'm losing track of all new F16 additions. Everywhere we get one or two new F16 sailors but the whole world over this makes for a pretty sizeable job to keep track of.
Wouter
Scooby Simon: I will probably go to UK in april?!
Where abouts will you be in the UK will you be?
Nop, But i will now...thanks.
Where abouts will you be in the UK will you be?
Southampton!
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Have a look on F-16 frapper map if you want to see the hotspots: http:/
The F-18 class is pretty successful in Sweden, while their presence is almost non-existent here in Norway. There is also a H16 class and a small Tornado class in Sweden.
Valteri and I spoke briefly about a scandinavian F-16 class quite some time ago, and Hans came back to me on that just some days ago. I dont know what what will happen with that yet. We might decide to go both ways, separated or united.. Anyway, swedes, finns danes or anybody else are always welcome to race with us in Norway and we will no doubt go to Sweden and Denmark if there is activity there. We can discuss this further in the F-16 forum if there is interest.
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Thank you everyone, i got F-16 in my brain and will look at all your homepages you recomend.
Southampton!
Bit far from me. I'm 40 miles north of London.
nacra 500. good boat !
Wouter
nacra 500. good boat !
Wouter
I can find some 2 persons nacra 500 for sale, what´s the difference? What do i need to change?
Is the Nacra 500 the best for single handled?
Freetime: My Stealth will be in the Stockholm area this Season. You are welcome to contact me for a ride. So far I am very happy with the the performance of the boat.
Where in stockholm do you have the boat? sounds fun...
Basically, I think the nacra 500 to be the best entry catamaran available today. And the fact that this comes from the founder of the F16 class, says alot. I truly think it surpasses teh Hobie 16, SL16, Dart 18 and a score of others. That is from a design point of view and the way it sails. Its only drawback is that Nacra formed a serious class around this design and as such their is no class racing as the Hobie 16's and Dart 18's have. I also think that the Nacra 500 should have been chosen as the youth boat instead of the SL16. It is just better and its predessor Nacra 5.0 is similar enough and sold enough the world over to immediate have a class the world over.
The Nacra 500 looks modern and is modern with its squaretop mainsail and blade jib. It also takes a spinnaker upgrade quite well. The platform is very stiff (much more then the H16 and Dart 18's) and this improves it feel and sailing behaviour. Is has alot of hull volume and carries weight suprisingly well. It shares the same rudder setup with the Nacra F18's (and the same rudder stock concept with nearly all F18's) and as such is very easy to operate. It is also twin trapeze and the total weight of 150 kg makes it light enough without being high tech. It can be righted singlehandly by an adult that (I suspect) is at least 80 kg.
And most of all it is a relatively inexpensive boat to buy new. I think they go for 10.500 Euro in Europe in their basic setup. Probably ending up at 12.000 Euro's with some of upgrades.
I honestly feel that the Nacra 500 is a great design.
However I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is the best for singlehanding. However, it is certainly one of the top candidates; better then the Hobie 16 for example.
Most of the comments above also apply to its predessor Nacra 5.0
I don't really understand what you are asking here. Please explain
Wouter
Do you own the company Nacra? <img src=
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My other? was maybe stupid, but what´s the difference between a single handled or a boat for 2.