I plan to pull em all and look at at least now but it would be nice to know when they started using the new ones. My H17 is an 86.
The reference I saw in the attached threads said they had been in use for "several years" from the 2009 post. So I would say sometime in the late 2000's, so not likely original equipment on any H18 or H17 you find. Matt Miller also said no need to replace the new ones every few years since the new ones are much better then the old ones.
ericweller wrote: Now if I could just learn to splice a line so that it doesn't fail!
Eric,
I love the elegance of splicing and do a fair amount of it on my friend's monohulls.
There is no place on most beach cat's trapeze systems that splicing is appropriate. The line is almost too small to splice effectively (as you have seen) and the thick tail that results hinders usability. A bowline and a stopper knot (half-grapevine or figure 8) are all you should need.
Sheet In!
For the record, a optical disk (CD or DVD) makes a great signaling mirror and already has a sighting hole in the center. Did I mention that they are cheap? And durable?
So now you have found a use for that Barry Manilow CD you have been too embarrased to throw out!
Sheet In!
There is no place on most beach cat's trapeze systems that splicing is appropriate.
I sail with a guy (catman) who has spliced returns on his trap system. they lasted at least 4 years until they died (well past the frey)
Also guys splice 1mm line for mini boats all the time...
There is no place on most beach cat's trapeze systems that splicing is appropriate.
dyneema trapese lines are simple to make and much nicer to use ( check class rules for racing)with 4 splices on each line
There are splices all over my boat, and slicing trap lines is fairly common. Bob, I slice 7/64 all the time and it is stupid drunk easy.
The splice on the trapeze that gave way when we capsized was a 5mm dynema line that attached the trapeze ring to the shock cord. I found out that a 5mm line will need about 1000 lbs to set the splice. Since I don't weigh near that, the splice slid out of place. If I had used a 2mm line, I would have never had my problem.
splices should be whipped or have a few lock stiches in them to prevent them coming apart
Ooops!
I spoke out of ignorance. I have no experience with the Dymeema lines. Mine are all Dacron, and the work I do for friends is as well. We have old boats and old lines. Even the wine we drink is old, and that part is good.
mummp wrote: There are splices all over my boat, and slicing trap lines is fairly common. Bob, I slice 7/64 all the time and it is stupid drunk easy.
How do you set your splices?
eragon wrote: dyneema trapese lines are simple to make and much nicer to use ( check class rules for racing)with 4 splices on each line
Four splices?
Back to the VHF comments for a moment.
I'm a pretty new sailor and had a new to me daysailer purchased from a reputable marina as ready to sail. I picked up the appropriate USCG stuff and was on my way w/ 3 friends. Fast forward 20 minutes and we capsized due to a small crack inside the hull but below the self bailer water level. It seems a flooded binge sloshing from one side to another was too much for 4 people to counter so over we went. I had the VHF (waterproof cobra - the sinking kind) and when we righted the boat I tried to call a family member for help and a tow since we were barley able to keep the gunwales above the water. It was a mess but I was able to right a 17 footer with a flooded bilge / cockpit and cuddy with only 3 people.
Point being... you really need to blow out the speaker / mic to remove the water or it won't work. It seems so obvious now but at the time in a panic it was lost on me. Good thing the iphone was in a waterproof box. Some VFH's have a tone that will shake water from the diaphragm. I also carry a riggin knife / whistle on a break away lanyard around my neck.
Between that and a dismasting at our mooring the Admiral says is has to go...So I got a P16 with her approval 😀
p-16 = best first catamaran...wise move!!! congrads!
Yeah it's going to be a fun rebuild, but since you already took my fav Milwaukee thing, I'm going w/ my next fave Milwaukee export and naming her "Miller Time" which is also my last name
Four splices?
one splice each end of trap line and one splice each end of adjusting line (attached to trap line)
Glad you were prepared with the phone and got home safe. I once saw a beachcat get home after a demasting by jury-rigging a mast from the boom and lines, kind of a crab-claw setup.
Today got dismasted about 2 miles offshore in the Gulf. My crew got really nervous and I wasn't real happy. 16-18 kt winds and we got caught in a sudden and brief squall and the shroud snapped. Well I thanks to all of the great posts I have read, we had cell phone, vhf, whistles, and some extra line. We made a jury rig like Damon is mentioning and 2 hours later limped ashore. We saw two boats but who knows what they were thinking.
you get a gold star for sailing her in and not hitting the "OH S#@T!!" button, damn proud of you captain! there are times to hit the button for sure but if you can sail her in, even better.
Well I thanks to all of the great posts I have read, we had cell phone, vhf, whistles, and some extra line. We made a jury rig like Damon is mentioning and 2 hours later limped ashore.
Strong work!
You never mentioned why you were demasted, shroud failure, anchor bar, missing ring?
golfdad75 wrote:
Glad you were prepared with the phone and got home safe. I once saw a beachcat get home after a demasting by jury-rigging a mast from the boom and lines, kind of a crab-claw setup.
Today got dismasted about 2 miles offshore in the Gulf. My crew got really nervous and I wasn't real happy. 16-18 kt winds and we got caught in a sudden and brief squall and the shroud snapped. Well I thanks to all of the great posts I have read, we had cell phone, vhf, whistles, and some extra line. We made a jury rig like Damon is mentioning and 2 hours later limped ashore. We saw two boats but who knows what they were thinking.
Shroud failure bought last spring. I have to admit we had winds and waves coming out of the south so the limp in wasn't difficult. The hard part was keeping the boom jammed against the front crossbeam. We tied three lines one a back stay and used it as a mast. It only fell about ten times.
golfdad75:
Good to hear you are back safe. Nice work.
How is your crew?
golfdad75 wrote:
Today got dismasted about 2 miles offshore in the Gulf. My crew got really nervous and I wasn't real happy. 16-18 kt winds and we got caught in a sudden and brief squall and the shroud snapped. Well I thanks to all of the great posts I have read, we had cell phone, vhf, whistles, and some extra line. We made a jury rig like Damon is mentioning and 2 hours later limped ashore. We saw two boats but who knows what they were thinking.
Great job in bad situation. Glad you kept your head and were so well prepared. Good seamanship in the self-rescue, congrats.
My crew probably retired from catamaran sailing. Sore but ok
Edited by golfdad75 on Aug 11, 2012 - 03:48 PM.
You know that little wire tie that keeps that large shackle on the H16 mast tang from working loose :-O ....well next time out I will be sure to install it.... 🙄
Unfortunately that seems to be a common reaction to potential disaster. I haven't gotten my wife back on the boat since a really bad incident a couple of years ago. I ignored a few things I shouldn't have and ended up in a bad situation.
Bill, wow, I'm sure there's a story there! Good advice that I will take when I reassemble my 5.7 next weekend. I have a roll of 18 ga titanium wire I may use for that purpose, and make some ring dings from also.