Frankencat proj. with unique goals- Gcat+18HT pics

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are you running a jib on the boat to start with? if not, change the forestay to something that joins a lot higher for the bow bridle. This does not need to be expensive. use 1/8 vectran or dyneema for the bottom and 5/32 for the top part and put eye splices in them. Cheaper by 10c a foot and don't need to swage them.
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Edit: however, if you aren't going to ever be double trapped and don't anticipate high wind and therefore high mainsheet tension then you might be alright.

yes, jib. See the part about front tramp? Crossbar at the bridle mounts. It will be pushed hard if we get the chance.

I think that would work.. I saw the part about the front tramp but there was no mention of the bar in the post. I hadn't thought of a bar (usually think of a bridle foil/bar.
nice...

Thanks. I know we add drag if it is seriously stuffed, but there is a decent amount of hull forward of the bridle mounts so hopefully that will be a rare event. It will be an odd looking setup compared to current boats, but as long as it is fast I can handle it. Hull volume vs. total weight will be another interesting factor...

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of course that is when most of the weight as at the corner though...

Minor update- Flat top trailer: Trailex AL trailer, treated ply deck (8x8), 1x8 side rails and outdoor carpet.

And a long term project- I20 main that we can cut down for a modern square top mainsail.

Minor update-

Fixed the broken tiller crossbar, dialed in a tiny bit of toe-in. Then we played with the front cross bar/bridle quite a bit to find the simplest way of setting it up and not impacting the original design. So we wound up just cutting small slots in the bottom of the bar so the fittings on the hull go up, into the bar. We then used a hole saw to cut access holes slightly inboard on top of the bar to have the bridle come into the bar and connect to the boat with a set of stainless shackles (screw-in pins). The shackles prevent the bar from coming off and we can easily remove it. The bar is an old boom section so we can use the slot to set up a front tramp. Not exactly pretty but will do the job. Since the fittings on the boat have a round base, the bar does not touch the deck. It looks just like the pics on the trailer- like it is just sitting on the hulls.

Looks like the rig is going to work.
Kinda like putting a flathead V8 in a NASCAR chassis...

We will need to work on the spreaders and probably be sailing w/out the spinnaker for now.

So,
An 18HT + G-Cat = 18GT?

just wanted to see if you have anything to support the middle of the forward beam from bending when you put load on it.... most 5.8/6.0's have un upsidedown dolphin striker on the top of that front beam to keep it from bending when you sheet in.... would hate to see the mast or hulls get damaged....

It is the same section size as what was on the g cat and that never exhibited any bending.

Shortened spreaders (straight) to better clear the big overlapping G-cat jib. Extended tongue on trailer and made new mast upright w/ spare Al. section. (Thanks Trey!)

Not sure if we will be able to hit Catfest, but it won't be for lack of trying.

Just sail w/ jib and Main, 1 trap. Gotta love tuning a new setup on the race course...

Towed up to Lake Norman for Catfest 2008 saturday morning.

The daggerboards arrived Fri. midday. BIG thanks to Bill Vining! (and Trey Brown for the trailer tongue!)

Awesome weather Saturday- 10-15 knots and about 83*.

Leading the first race, second lap, just started to trap out and the tiller crossbar broke! Bummer. Missed out on 5 great races. Fixed the tiller ashore (temporarily) with the sawed off aluminum handle of a brand new paint scraper.

Went out after 5 for a quick check of repair and some adjustments to cleat angles and a few other small tuning changes.

Raced on Sunday, light air race 1. 2 minutes late to the start but managed to finish 2nd.

Second race was a drifter, hot. Still pulled out a 2nd.

What did we learn on the show tonight, Craig?

Well, let's see...

Hulls kick butt, points well, accelerates quicker than the ol' G-Cat and certainly tacks easier. Transoms are always in the water, even with me way forward on the leeward hull.

Jib sheeting angles are not so good, not happy with the overlap and the jib block location. But, I do have to admit that reaching with that big genoa vs. TheMightyHobie18's and a P18-2 is a decided advantage.

Mast is a true Frankenstein and needs to be retired. Broken, spliced, not so straight and even a bit inverted. Not light, either. But- it is very strong with the double diamond. The shortened spreaders clear the jib. The eyeball measurements worked out.

Need new crossbar for rudders and improve mount for tiller extension.

Maybe start working on spin setup.

As is, seems to be sailing with the Prindle 18-2.

Moe than one racer said we should use the I20 main we have on a taller mast, lose the jib and go back to a uni with spin.

Hmmmmm,

We raced at the Outback Cup in abysmal conditions- drifter extraordinaire.

Hard to say how the boat compares to others in such a crapshoot AND the expert drifter was not feeling well so he had me driving. I could not call a shift or layline right all weekend. Oh well. At least we did better each race.

We have a fresh, F18 small jib to use. Looks like it will sheet nicely to the crossbar. While it will help upwind w/ no overlap and correct sheeting angle, we will be giving up 30 sq ft of sail.

For downwind we have a couple of choices-
An F18 spin w/ endpole snuffer

OR

E-Scow reacher which is a little bigger but cut flatter and could be used as a hooter on a furler. If we went w/ the reacher it would be bag launched at first.

Comments?

Cheap Trick

has been sitting quietly this winter and I have done a little bit of work.

Found a 10" carbon fiber tube remnant online that fit our broken end-snuffer pole (from I20) and also grabbed a Harken pivot exit block for the halyard off eBay. Epoxied the pole back together and will start playing with rigging it when it warms up a bit.

Also found some foam battens which should shape the main much better than the battleship heavy fiberglass battens.

Front tramp should be ready by spring.

Looks like we may have a new rig to try out. I will know more by the end of the week. Carbon stick, matching squaretop main. Same area as the Gcat main. Should be a nice performance improvement.

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Yup. I would have been OK w/ just a clean Al mast but could not find one so a cf mast w/ matching main will just have to do. Have to fix it, of course.

New Main!!

Now I have to fix the matching mast. Woo Hoo!

So we have the front tramp on. Most serious cat sailors are probably saying

ugh

. But hey, it does have a purpose.

DISCLAIMER- At no time were any HT hulls damaged in the frankensteining. No holes drilled, so it can all come off if wanted.

Front tramp-

And playing with a jib and spin/reacher/hooter setup.

We can do the learning curve on the old, cheap sail before moving up to a snuffer and spinnaker. Since this mast and rig is so worn out, the nice, high aspect jib is also staying in the bag until the new mast can be put up.

I know, not exactly a fast shape on that

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. If we screw it up, no big loss.

Finally was able to get out with the

spinnaker

(old E-scow reacher, very flat) and Hobie 16 jib instead of the big G-Cat genoa. Bag launched it off the front tramp. On the 3rd went out with my Dad and daughter and tried out the big sail. Light air that would ramp up to about 8-10 then back down again. Once we threw the

spinnaker

we just beam reached and sheeted it in! Wow! We kept sailing out of the wind patterns ahead of them. Kept the jib up and was able to have both headsails pulling. Sailed tight angles for the speed since it was fairly light. And the shape was great for tight reaching, sheeted to to the back beam. We really buried the bow once but it just came back up and we kept on trucking. My daughter was just laughing and loved the spray. I'm sold. This light weight boat accelerates at an incredible rate.

Sounds like a blast! How much sail area would you say you're running with your main and jib?

I believe the G-cat main is 162sf, G-cat jib is 60sf and the Hobie 16 jib we just put on is 55sf and adds battens.

An update- finally.

Made one carbon fiber F17 mast from two broken ones. Still need a mast step, rotator, downhaul. Now working on a boom from a carbon tube. Hope to have it up by June. Finally move into this century.

What was the source for the carbon tube used for the boom? More available?

Dave

I saw an ad on Beachcats for a couple of tubes a catsailor had leftover from some project. I bought one and finally have a chance to use it. That was over a year ago. I have found tube remnants for sale using google.

Also-
I hear windsurfer masts work quite well.

When you google the tubing, what keywords do you use?

Dave